IOC officially investigating underage Chinese gymnast

petrym
petrym Posts: 1,912
edited August 2008 in The Clubhouse
The International Olympic Committee has ordered an investigation into mounting allegations that Chinese authorities covered up the true age of their gold-medal winning gymnastics star because she was too young to compete.

An IOC official told The Times that because of "discrepancies" that have come to light about the age of He Kexin, the host nation’s darling who won gold in both team and individual events, an official inquiry has been launched that could result in the gymnast being stripped of her medals.

The investigation was triggered as a US computer expert claimed today to have uncovered Chinese government documents that he says prove she is only 14 - making her ineligible to compete in the Olympics - rather than 16, as officials in Beijing insist is her age.

Mike Walker, a computer security expert, told The Times how he tracked down two documents that he says had been removed from a Chinese government website. The documents, he said, stated that He’s birth date was January 1 1994 - making her 14 - and not January 1 1992, which is printed in her passport.


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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited August 2008
    The IOC can't do ****.
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited August 2008
    +1. Bunch of EUNUCHS! Like ANYone is gonna make China confess. LOL.
    I refuse to argue with idiots, because people can't tell the DIFFERENCE!
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited August 2008
    obieone wrote: »
    +1. Bunch of EUNUCHS! Like ANYone is gonna make China confess. LOL.

    Yep, that's the amusing thing, it's CHINA, they can say how old anyone is. The Chinese government won't let the IOC get anywhere near any real information and they can make up whatever they want.

    We've either got to accept they're a bunch of cheats or stop allowing communists to host the Olympics.
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  • Polk user
    Polk user Posts: 311
    edited August 2008
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Yep, that's the amusing thing, it's CHINA, they can say how old anyone is. The Chinese government won't let the IOC get anywhere near any real information and they can make up whatever they want.

    We've either got to accept they're a bunch of cheats or stop allowing communists to host the Olympics.


    I heard the IOC is gonna give the 2020 Olympics to Hezbollah in the West Bank. They are nothing but U.N. washouts.
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  • ttomp
    ttomp Posts: 181
    edited August 2008
    Communists shouldn't be allowed to host any international event , especially the chinese.
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited August 2008
    The Chinese gov't can produce any document they want that can prove the real age of the gymnast. I don't see the IOC going anywhere with its investigation. Maybe if the IOC can waterboard the suspected gymnast into telling the truth....

    Mr. "Loud Mouth" Bella Karolyi certainly had no problem coaching a 14 year old Nadia Comaneci, or "half woman" as he called them, to winning Olympic gold medals.
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  • hoosier21
    hoosier21 Posts: 4,411
    edited August 2008
    is this age limit for all events or just gymnastics?
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  • petrym
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    edited August 2008
    Danny Tse wrote: »
    Mr. "Loud Mouth" Bella Karolyi certainly had no problem coaching a 14 year old Nadia Comaneci, or "half woman" as he called them, to winning Olympic gold medals.

    He coached a 14 year-old Nadia because that was the legal age limit back then. It went up to 15 and now it's 16 years old.

    hoosier21 wrote: »
    is this age limit for all events or just gymnastics?
    Just for gymnastics right now.
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,624
    edited August 2008
    Polk user wrote: »
    I heard the IOC is gonna give the 2020 Olympics to Hezbollah in the West Bank...
    LOL..........very nice........
    comment comment comment comment. bitchy.
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited August 2008
    For those that want to see the cause of the hubub

    http://www.wretch.cc/blog/billypan101/11740056
    I refuse to argue with idiots, because people can't tell the DIFFERENCE!
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited August 2008
    obieone wrote: »
    For those that want to see the cause of the hubub

    http://www.wretch.cc/blog/billypan101/11740056

    I'm not sure if many of us here could read that. :confused:
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  • seeclear
    seeclear Posts: 1,242
    edited August 2008
    Face wrote: »
    I'm not sure if many of us here could read that. :confused:

    There was an english-language article about halfway down the page.
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited August 2008
    http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/gymnastics/news;_ylt=Aj.l_0Fg7h8KG3HaPwDTglXQ1Zl4?slug=ap-gym-underagechinese&prov=ap&type=lgns
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  • mrbigbluelight
    mrbigbluelight Posts: 9,677
    edited August 2008
    obieone wrote: »
    For those that want to see the cause of the hubub

    http://www.wretch.cc/blog/billypan101/11740056

    That'll get you 5 to 10 in most states.
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited August 2008
    It will ultimately come down to whether the IOC will be able to accept internet cache evidence of information being deleted/changed on the Chinese government website (or not) as proof of these two girls being too young. If these medals are stripped, such an act will be unprecedented in the annals of Olympic crushing blows to cheaters (such as those doping in the past), and will heap global shame upon a government who supposedly considers "honor" their highest virtue.

    I'd be floored if anything comes of it.
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited August 2008
    The IOC may strip the medals on paper, but I seriously DOUBT they'll get the ACTUAL medals back. Not unless they want to wade thru a couple of million ARMED soldiers:p
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited August 2008
    NOTHING will happen. If necessary the Chinese govt. will provide as much "legal" documentation as necessary to prove the age of the gymnast in question. Does anybody really thing that the IOC will dispute the documentation given to them?
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,806
    edited August 2008
    I think they should cut her in half and count the rings. THEN they will know how old she is for sure!
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited August 2008
    Jstas wrote: »
    I think they should cut her in half and count the rings. THEN they will know how old she is for sure!

    I know she's younger than 16, but I don't think she's twee.
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited August 2008
    hoosier21 wrote: »
    is this age limit for all events or just gymnastics?

    Soccer has a max 23 yr old limit this Olympics, but they allowed each team to have up to three over age players.......SO WHY EVEN HAVE THE FRIGGIN RULE!!!:rolleyes:
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited August 2008
    I don't believe the Olympics is a good idea. Too much competition. What about the SELF-ESTEEM of the athletes that DON'T win?
    I think they deserve a BIG HUG!:p
    I refuse to argue with idiots, because people can't tell the DIFFERENCE!
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  • VSchneider
    VSchneider Posts: 443
    edited August 2008
    Ok, it's been done:
    spokeswoman Giselle Davies, IOC wrote:
    "The information we have received seems satisfactory in terms of the correct documentation — including birth certificates."

    So there you go, they only look 14.
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited August 2008
    VSchneider wrote: »
    Ok, it's been done:


    So there you go, they only look 14.

    Who makes Chinese birth certificates? ;)
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  • VSchneider
    VSchneider Posts: 443
    edited August 2008
    Funny you should ask, because Mr. Lu only knows the origin of the passport and the ID card.
    China coach Lu Shanzan wrote:
    Surely it's not possible that these documents are still not sufficient proof of her [He Kexin's] birthdate?... The passports were issued by the Chinese Foreign Ministry. The identity card was issued by China's Ministry of Public Security. If these valid documents are not enough to clarify this problem, then what will you believe?
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited August 2008
    14 years old? she looks 12 to me :p
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  • doggie750
    doggie750 Posts: 1,160
    edited August 2008
    14 or 16...........she's still good! Why challenge her ability? Congratulation to her.
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited August 2008
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by China coach Lu Shanzan
    Surely it's not possible that these documents are still not sufficient proof of her [He Kexin's] birthdate?... The passports were issued by the Chinese Foreign Ministry. The identity card was issued by China's Ministry of Public Security. If these valid documents are not enough to clarify this problem, then what will you believe?

    Sure the hell not the Chinese gubment.
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited August 2008
    doggie750 wrote: »
    14 or 16...........she's still good! Why challenge her ability? Congratulation to her.

    :confused::confused::confused::confused:
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  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,601
    edited August 2008
    Who really cares. Let me know when they stop putting lead in
    all their toys and foodstuffs for export. Or stop making counterfeit
    pills that cause countless deaths here in the U.S. I'm sure a little
    fib about age is gonna keep anyone over there up at night.
    I guess young gilrs in gymnastics is better than chaining them
    to a sewing machine at the Levi's factory.

    Damn I'm feeling angry today. That felt goooooood!
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  • BeRad
    BeRad Posts: 736
    edited August 2008
    ttomp wrote: »
    Communists shouldn't be allowed to host any international event , especially the chinese.

    But should they still be allowed to host the manufacture of the majority of the consumer goods (non food) that you buy?

    China makes our lives more affordable! Let them do what they want. If anyone can cheat and get away with it, they deserve whatever they get, good or bad.

    It's kind of like pulling of a successful bank robbery. Sure, its wrong, but you gotta respect the dedication and planning. :)
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