Windows Mojave

cmy330go
cmy330go Posts: 2,341
edited August 2008 in The Clubhouse
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Not long after Vista came out I spent some time messing with it and decided that I was not going to give up XP. But after seeing this I'm kinda curious if Vista has really improved that much since it's release.

What's the opinion of users here? Do any of you actually like Vista better than XP? Do you feel that it Vista is still slower than XP? Just curious what you all think of it.
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  • bigaudiofanatic
    bigaudiofanatic Posts: 4,415
    edited August 2008
    I do i love vista very stable for me multitask and game a lot.
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  • jephdood
    jephdood Posts: 1,671
    edited August 2008
    Vista has been just as stable and on-par performance-wise as XP for me.
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  • Shizelbs
    Shizelbs Posts: 7,433
    edited August 2008
    jephdood wrote: »
    Vista has been just as stable and on-par performance-wise as XP for me.

    Same for me, and I really like the extra features that Vista provides.
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited August 2008
    I'm NOT moving to Vista. I've not played with it extensively, much less run it on one of my systems for comparison sake, so take my thoughts with a grain of salt.

    However, from everything I'm STILL reading, Vista is a resource hog, requires too much hardware to run as optimally as XP (do have a gaming friend who backs up that statement), and I just don't want to deal with the compatibility issues and other hassles. XP Pro has treated me just FINE, so I have no motivation to change anything.

    Now, I am excited after reading about Microsoft's next OS to come out, 7, I believe it is. Supposed to be capable AND have a small footprint. I like that idea. :)
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited August 2008
    audiobliss wrote: »
    I'm NOT moving to Vista. I've not played with it extensively, much less run it on one of my systems for comparison sake, so take my thoughts with a grain of salt.

    However, from everything I'm STILL reading, Vista is a resource hog, requires too much hardware to run as optimally as XP (do have a gaming friend who backs up that statement), and I just don't want to deal with the compatibility issues and other hassles. XP Pro has treated me just FINE, so I have no motivation to change anything.

    Now, I am excited after reading about Microsoft's next OS to come out, 7, I believe it is. Supposed to be capable AND have a small footprint. I like that idea. :)

    Have to agree with you. Vista is too much of a resource hog; if you have less than 2GB of RAM and your PC is more than 1 year old I see no benefit from running Vista. I posted a while back about running Vista on a fairly recent laptop with 1GB of RAM and it ran very poorly...
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited August 2008
    I've heard a few people say they run Vista just fine on an older PC with 1GB of RAM. And a few have already posted that they like it. So apparently you can make it work. However, I just see no desire to mess with it.
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited August 2008
    Vista is superior to XP, IMO. Surprisingly, Vista runs much faster on my system and is equally stable to XP. I have 2 GB RAM and a 512 MB video card.
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited August 2008
    Early B. wrote: »
    Vista is superior to XP, IMO. Surprisingly, Vista runs much faster on my system and is equally stable to XP. I have 2 GB RAM and a 512 MB video card.

    Sure, if you have the hardware to run it, Vista runs great!

    However, based on my experience with Vista on a (at the time) 1.5 year old laptop, I wasn't happy with its performance at all. If you have 2GB of RAM and a 512MB video card, then you should be fine.
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  • Roy Munson
    Roy Munson Posts: 886
    edited August 2008
    If you have a modern computer with enough horsepower to run it Vista works just fine and imo is at the very least the equal to XP and in some cases it's better!

    Many of the early complaints about Vista revolved around drivers which isn't MS fault!

    Like many I was apprehensive and waited longer than I should have to switch to VHP because of the bad reviews but I have to tell you that a lot of it was BS, not all of it, but the majority..I dumped XP and don't have any regrets and I'm not looking back!

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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited August 2008
    Argh, see, now I'm wishing I hadn't told the guy to put XP Pro on the laptop I'm getting....oh well...
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  • cmy330go
    cmy330go Posts: 2,341
    edited August 2008
    audiobliss wrote: »
    Argh, see, now I'm wishing I hadn't told the guy to put XP Pro on the laptop I'm getting....oh well...

    That's where I'm at too. I'm just about to buy a business laptop and can't decide what OS to go with.
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited August 2008
    Well, I may be seriously tempted to install Vista on my desktop to play around with, but I'll be depending on my laptop for taking notes and other school work, so I'm actually really happy about sticking with XP Pro on it.

    Why risk going with Vista on a business laptop if there are no great benefits?

    I'm sure I will end up playing with Vista on one of my machines at some point, but it will be my desktop which is more for 'leisure'.
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  • Roy Munson
    Roy Munson Posts: 886
    edited August 2008
    One tip that I think is crucial in getting Vista to run properly is to do a clean install..most of the factory installed systems are so full of crap that they don't run right and that's where a lot of complaints come from!

    I reformatted and did a clean install of VHP about a year ago and I've had zero problems with it except that my old printer won't work with it because the printer manufacturer doesn't have an updated driver for Vista. So I replaced my 8 year old printer with a new one..problem solved!
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  • cmy330go
    cmy330go Posts: 2,341
    edited August 2008
    audiobliss wrote: »
    Why risk going with Vista on a business laptop if there are no great benefits?

    It's not about benefits of the OS. It's the fact that if I decide to stick with XP it greatly reduces my options, since many of the new laptops out there now have hardware that is not supported by XP.
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  • Dennis Gardner
    Dennis Gardner Posts: 4,861
    edited August 2008
    Roy Munson wrote: »
    One tip that I think is crucial in getting Vista to run properly is to do a clean install..most of the factory installed systems are so full of crap that they don't run right and that's where a lot of complaints come from!

    I reformatted and did a clean install of VHP about a year ago and I've had zero problems with it except that my old printer won't work with it because the printer manufacturer doesn't have an updated driver for Vista. So I replaced my 8 year old printer with a new one..problem solved!

    A new laptop with factory install took 7 minutes to boot until the hourglass stops spinning. Ridiculous...........
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited August 2008
    OS X is better anyway ;) But I can dual boot into vista :D
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  • cmy330go
    cmy330go Posts: 2,341
    edited August 2008
    If Powerbooks weren't so ridiculously overpriced I would go that route. I just refuse to spend that much more money for essentially the same hardware I can get in a PC.

    Until Apple stops all their elitist BS I really don't want much to do with them.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,781
    edited August 2008
    We have been testing Vista since it came out at work. Yes, it runs fine on a decent machine, but XP still runs a lot faster. Anyone who claims otherwise is fooling themselves. We are not switching to Vista, as it would require too many of the older systems to need upgrades, and we have seen absolutely no advantages to Vista. Sure if you are a gamer, it will give you DirectX 10, but there is no use for that in a business environment.

    http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=209800372

    At home I recently built a new computer, and at first loaded Vista Ultimate on it and benchmarked it against my 5 year old computer running XP, built in September 2003. The old computer was faster in everything but gaming benchmarks, only due the fact that the old machine can not do DX 10.

    Old system was a 3.2 Ghz Pentium 4 Northwood, 1GB Hyperex PC3200, Ati 128M 9800 pro, with 2 7200 rpm 160GB drives in Raid 0. New system is a Core2Duo at 3.6 Ghz, 4GB DDR2, Ati 512M Radeon HD3650, with 4 7200 rpm 500GB drives running 2 raid 0 configs. I really expected the new machine to outperform the old one, even with Vista loaded, but it didn't. Of course it stomps it when both have XP Pro SP3 loaded.

    I'm waiting for Windows 7 before upgrading the OS, hopefully it will be less bloated, and not require 14GB to install just the OS, like Vista does.
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  • trubluluc
    trubluluc Posts: 2,067
    edited August 2008
    Vista itself has been great, no locking up etc.
    But I bought a new computer with Vista Ultimate already installed.
    There were some compatibility problems with older peripherals, but there was always a work around.
    The only people I have heard bitching about it are people trying to load it on an older computer.
    If your computer is more than 5 years old these days it's cheaper and less frustrating to just get a new computer.
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  • Roy Munson
    Roy Munson Posts: 886
    edited August 2008
    It was the same way when XP first came out. People trying to get it to work on an old computer with 64 megs of ram had problems and they claimed Win98 was better and faster. Finally XP gained acceptance just like Vista eventually will. I can't comment on business uses for Vista but for the home user there's no reason not to run Vista!

    btw..I'll never understand why in this day of 500GB drives why anyone would complain about the installation size of Vista.
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  • SKsolutions
    SKsolutions Posts: 1,820
    edited August 2008
    Laptops are supposed to be portable and be able to run on batteries for reasonable length of time. You pay extra for lightweight/formfactor and for lower thermal envelope/efficiency of the latest processors.
    Why use the most bloated software on the planet which adversely impacts one of the reasons for buying one in the first place? Like running SDA's in mono.
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited August 2008
    Or without the SDA cable!
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,623
    edited August 2008
    Depends on the type of laptop you get..I have a fujitsu 17" that will last no more than about 30 minutes unplugged..........because it's a 'desktop replacement' type of laptop......

    You should have been on the phone when I had THAT conversation with Tech Support...........**** morons..........
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited August 2008
    My mom has an HP that seems to run Vista fine. It takes a LONG time to start up and to shut down but it doesn't freeze or crash. It does get pretty hot though....not exactly comfortable to leave on your lap.
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  • SKsolutions
    SKsolutions Posts: 1,820
    edited August 2008
    In general, heat kills laptops, I'd adjust the settings or turn some stuff off. HP is not bad, I have a 14" one and use it often :D, . . .and Vista is not bad per se, but Vista on a laptop that will ever be used as the mobile device that it was intended -is nonsense. I know you can disable everything and strip it down, but then what's the point of the 'upgrade'. You can install add-ons to XP without torching your battery if you like Areo, or whatever other new gadgets that Vista glommed from osx.
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  • jmwest1970
    jmwest1970 Posts: 846
    edited August 2008
    cmy330go wrote: »
    If Powerbooks weren't so ridiculously overpriced I would go that route. I just refuse to spend that much more money for essentially the same hardware I can get in a PC.

    Until Apple stops all their elitist BS I really don't want much to do with them.

    That's what a Hackintosh is for... I've been running Leopard on my Sony Vaio laptop and HP desktop for ~3 months now without issues. I bought both for less than the cost of a basic macbook and have removed Apple's insane price structure from the equation.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,781
    edited August 2008
    btw..I'll never understand why in this day of 500GB drives why anyone would complain about the installation size of Vista.

    I have 2 TB's of storage, it's not the space it uses that I care about. But the instalation size does tell you just how bloated it is.
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  • LessisNevermore
    LessisNevermore Posts: 1,519
    edited August 2008
    jmwest1970 wrote: »
    That's what a Hackintosh is for... I've been running Leopard on my Sony Vaio laptop and HP desktop for ~3 months now without issues. I bought both for less than the cost of a basic macbook and have removed Apple's insane price structure from the equation.

    Well done! .........now how'd ya do it?
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited August 2008
    Roy Munson wrote: »
    It was the same way when XP first came out. People trying to get it to work on an old computer with 64 megs of ram had problems and they claimed Win98 was better and faster. Finally XP gained acceptance just like Vista eventually will. I can't comment on business uses for Vista but for the home user there's no reason not to run Vista!

    btw..I'll never understand why in this day of 500GB drives why anyone would complain about the installation size of Vista.

    Yeah, you're talking about running XP on computers that were 6-7 years old. Back in the Pentium Pro days (1996) 64MB of RAM was commonplace, and even THEN a system could run XP.

    Fast forward to Vista - people are complaining about it not being able to run on systems with 1GB of RAM! That's a 1-2 year old computer, tops!

    See what I mean? XP could run on a huge variety of systems, Vista needs cutting edge hardware.
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