MPAA: ban analog outputs

carpenter
carpenter Posts: 362
edited August 2008 in The Clubhouse
Seems that the good folks in the MPAA, decided that a legitimate way
to protect their content is to have the ability to shut down analog outputs on DVD's.
that is ....... Legally purchased DVDs

linky ......
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,728
    edited August 2008
    I didn't read the arti9cle, but taking your statement on face value - that's gonna suck
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,196
    edited August 2008
    Well, that would be the end of me buying DVD's. I'm not purchasing new gear just to please those asshats.
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  • Gaara
    Gaara Posts: 2,415
    edited August 2008
    Apperently no one in the thread read the article, including the OP.

    The article is about the MPAA wanting to shutoff component video outs on cable boxes when they play movies that are released on tv, but not yet released on dvd. This is to prevent people from recording the movie off their boxes and selling pirated copies before the movie is released on dvd.

    A few excerpts for those to lazy to read:
    The issue for the studios is whether unprotected outputs could be used to record the early-release content in ways that are not currently permitted and then use that recording as the source for additional unauthorized copies.
    What the MPAA is clearly trying to do here is start releasing movies on TV before they're available on DVD, but wants to do so in a way that users won't be able to record on their DVRs (though, they hardly come out and say that)
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  • polktiger
    polktiger Posts: 556
    edited August 2008
    OK MPAA - here is a thought. If you are worried about people copying the material during the period of time prior to the release to DVD, just accelerate the DVD release time to correspond with VOD release without the black bars or unnatural image stretching
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,728
    edited August 2008
    I figured it would be something like that, which is why I indicated I hadn't yet read the article...
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  • carpenter
    carpenter Posts: 362
    edited August 2008
    @Gaara
    You will not be able to connect you your TV via analog (cable box).
    ( if you will, you'd have to switch to digital for certain broadcasts )
    IF you're fine with it, then it surprises me, as I'm not.
    It is but a first step, to cancel analog outputs (The salami method).
    "If the global crisis continues, by the end of the year Only two Banks will be operational, the Blood Bank and the Sperm Bank. Then these 2 banks will merge and it will be called 'The Bloody **** Bank'"
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited August 2008
    Much ado about nothing IMO. What is the big deal if the "early release to TV" movies are not available over analog? In that situation you are paying for the right to "view" only...not the right to own a copy. Hell it is so cheap to own just about any DVD these days...IF...one is willing to wait and not have to have it the minute it hits the shelves...why go to the time and effort to make an illegal copy?
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  • Gaara
    Gaara Posts: 2,415
    edited August 2008
    carpenter wrote: »
    @Gaara
    You will not be able to connect you your TV via analog (cable box).
    ( if you will, you'd have to switch to digital for certain broadcasts )
    IF you're fine with it, then it surprises me, as I'm not.
    It is but a first step, to cancel analog outputs (The salami method).

    Where does it say I won't be able to connect my tv via analog? I don't read that anywhere in the article, it only affects pre-release movies and it sounds like it is up to the studio to decide if they want to use the feature or not.

    I don't use payperview or other pay movie channels so it doesn't affect me. Even if I did I use HDMI, so it won't affect me anyway.

    I was just clearing up that you made your post sound like they were shutting off analog outs in dvd players, when it had nothing to do with that.
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  • carpenter
    carpenter Posts: 362
    edited August 2008
    Gaara wrote: »
    Where does it say I won't be able to connect my tv via analog? ...

    if you do connect via analog, you will not be able to watch some content (
    granted, which might not interest you, personally ).
    That content ( movies ) might be purchased legally no?
    "If the global crisis continues, by the end of the year Only two Banks will be operational, the Blood Bank and the Sperm Bank. Then these 2 banks will merge and it will be called 'The Bloody **** Bank'"
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited August 2008
    What is says is that some content may not be available via analog. No big deal. It seems to me that people that really care about things like watching current run movies asap are the ones that are already invested in the latest technology, have gone fully digital capable and will have no problem with THIS particular rule.

    I could be wrong but it seems like this is simply copy protection for broadcast content. I can understand not wanting copies made before the DVD is released.
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  • Gaara
    Gaara Posts: 2,415
    edited August 2008
    I feel like we have a communication breakdown.

    My 1st post was to inform people that this affects cable boxes with pre release movies, not dvd players as you implied.
    carpenter wrote: »
    You will not be able to connect you your TV via analog (cable box).
    ( if you will, you'd have to switch to digital for certain broadcasts )

    My 2nd post responded to this. You say you will not be able to connect a cable box via analog. This is incorrect. You may not be able to watch a pre-release movie via analog outs, at the studio's discretion if this passes, but that is very specific prohibition.
    carpenter wrote: »
    if you do connect via analog, you will not be able to watch some content (
    granted, which might not interest you, personally ).
    That content ( movies ) might be purchased legally no?

    Yes the content may be purchased legally. Again I am not arguing that this isn't a bad thing, but it only specifics a very specific group of people who use pay per view services with pre release movies and use analog outs on cable boxes. It doesn't affect me or anyone I know but that is just anecdotal data.

    My point in posting was that I myself and assumedly Tom got the impression from your post that this was a restriction on dvd players analog outputs, hence his comment:
    Well, that would be the end of me buying DVD's. I'm not purchasing new gear just to please those asshats.

    I just wanted to clear up that this does not effect dvds with dvd players.
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  • carpenter
    carpenter Posts: 362
    edited August 2008
    @Shack
    The critics of this move make 2 points :
    1) DVD's will be release on pay per view TV ( or regular Cable, or expensive movie channels .... ), first, and for longer periods.
    2) You loose the ability to record on your Tivo everything your schedule won't allow you to watch.
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  • carpenter
    carpenter Posts: 362
    edited August 2008
    @gaara

    I see your point, but .... for whatever reason I can't edit my posts ( changing my first post, so its clearer )
    "If the global crisis continues, by the end of the year Only two Banks will be operational, the Blood Bank and the Sperm Bank. Then these 2 banks will merge and it will be called 'The Bloody **** Bank'"
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  • Gaara
    Gaara Posts: 2,415
    edited August 2008
    carpenter wrote: »
    @gaara

    I see your point, but .... for whatever reason I can't edit my posts ( changing my first post, so its clearer )

    No more editing past 10 mins It sucks, my last F/S thread is a mess.
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited August 2008
    As far as I see it, it basically means you must connect your cable box with DVI or HDMI (w/HDCP) in order to watch certain programming.

    The analog outputs will *only* be disabled on certain content, not everything!! That means I can hook up a cable box to my projector over component, without any issues since I never watch movies on demand PPV, or any of the movie channels in general.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited August 2008
    carpenter wrote: »
    @Shack
    The critics of this move make 2 points :
    1) DVD's will be release on pay per view TV ( or regular Cable, or expensive movie channels .... ), first, and for longer periods.
    2) You loose the ability to record on your Tivo everything your schedule won't allow you to watch.

    Well there you go. This will have NO effect on me. I have NO premium movie channels and have NEVER purchased PPV program. I own several hundred DVDs, most of which were purchased LONG after they were released to DVD. I watch them when I get around to it. Interestingly the quality of the movie does not deteriorate over time. I am customer of Blockbuster online and have just watched a couple of movies for the first time that were "blockbusters" a couple of years ago. I don't think I missed a whole lot by not watching them when they were on the big screen or out on DVD.

    I don't own a Tivo or any digital recording device. There is really very little that I want to watch on TV and if I happen to miss something...so what? If it was any good...it WILL be shown again (or go on the internet to see it).

    Evidently this issue really matters to some...just not me.
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited August 2008
    I gots my cable box connected via hdmi, soooooo:rolleyes::p
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited August 2008
    Doesn't affect me :)
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  • JohnLocke88
    JohnLocke88 Posts: 1,150
    edited August 2008
    Damn! My life long plan, since right now, has been foiled. Where now will I get all my free movies from?
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  • I-SIG
    I-SIG Posts: 2,243
    edited August 2008
    shack wrote: »
    Well there you go. This will have NO effect on me. I have NO premium movie channels and have NEVER purchased PPV program. I own several hundred DVDs, most of which were purchased LONG after they were released to DVD. I watch them when I get around to it. Interestingly the quality of the movie does not deteriorate over time. I am customer of Blockbuster online and have just watched a couple of movies for the first time that were "blockbusters" a couple of years ago. I don't think I missed a whole lot by not watching them when they were on the big screen or out on DVD.

    I don't own a Tivo or any digital recording device. There is really very little that I want to watch on TV and if I happen to miss something...so what? If it was any good...it WILL be shown again (or go on the internet to see it).

    Evidently this issue really matters to some...just not me.

    Other using the DVR for mostly 30-60 minute shows, This is pretty much me too. If bought DVD's when they hit the shelves, oh wait, there ain't much worth watching in the first place.

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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,196
    edited August 2008
    Thanks for clearing that up Gaara. Not being able to edit posts has done this thread a disservice.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited August 2008
    treitz3 wrote: »
    Thanks for clearing that up Gaara. Not being able to edit posts has done this whole message board a disservice.
    Fixed.
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