New 2 channel setup on the way

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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited July 2008
    Face wrote: »
    I found MIT's are excellent at removing hum.

    HUM is a sign of a greater problem that shouldn't be there. Masking or removing it with expensive cables is not the solution . . . especially when correcting the hum likely costs less.

    Mike
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited July 2008
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    HUM is a sign of a greater problem that shouldn't be there. Masking or removing it with expensive cables is not the solution . . . especially when correcting the hum likely costs less.

    Mike
    Sorry, I should have clarified, not ground loop, but impedance mismatch as RT mentioned. They also lower floor noise. http://www.mitcables.com/pdf/energy_efficiency_noise_wp.pdf
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited July 2008
    Face wrote: »
    Sorry, I should have clarified, not ground loop, but impedance mismatch as RT mentioned. They also lower floor noise. http://www.mitcables.com/pdf/energy_efficiency_noise_wp.pdf

    BINGO!!

    I had no issue with hum when the ELP was hooked up to the tubed Anthem I sold to George. Only with SS amps. I should have stated that earlier. None of the cables I mentioned were very expensive...used that is.
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited July 2008
    ND13 wrote: »
    BINGO!!

    I had no issue with hum when the ELP was hooked up to the tubed Anthem I sold to George. Only with SS amps. I should have stated that earlier. None of the cables I mentioned were very expensive...used that is.

    Interesting. The Khartago is made to be run with Tube amps. I ran one with a Candela and a Rogue Audio Metis with no issue.
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited July 2008
    Not every SS amp I've used with the ELP, just the AMC and the PSound I had. Did you mean tube pre-amps? The Khartargo is an amp.
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited July 2008
    Nick, you got to call Gary and Klaus up to figure out if you have some impedance issues.

    Are you absolutely certain it's a HUM and not just tube noise? My Metis had some background hiss but more than made up for it in sonics. Is that what you are hearing?
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited July 2008
    I never really worried about the hum I had, either. The ELP also more than made up for it with sonics, too.
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited July 2008
    ND13 wrote: »
    I never really worried about the hum I had, either. The ELP also more than made up for it with sonics, too.

    Yup, it took me spending around $2,500 to finally have a silent tube pre. A little hiss is part of the territory.
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  • nikolas812
    nikolas812 Posts: 2,915
    edited July 2008
    I bought the Dodd from Phuz. He stated that the Hum has always been there with the Dodd. It is a very light hum that you only hear between songs or very low levels. He said I could send it back to Gary and he would build a separate power supply for it and it would be dead silent. There was actually one on A-gon right above Phuz's listing that had the separate power supply upgrade(or fix).

    I'll see if it gets better when I get my new cables from Ben. I am sure the Rat shack cables are not helping matters.

    Either way its not that big of an issue and the sonic characteristics of the Dodd are amazing!!! So I can deal with it.:D


    The biggest news right now is today at lunch I put the rig in the dedicated listening room. And voil
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  • nikolas812
    nikolas812 Posts: 2,915
    edited July 2008
    I hated posting that last post. I look like such a noob. Who I am I kidding. I am a noob.:D


    [URL="[IMG]http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj162/nikolas812/IMG_0078.jpg[/IMG]"]IMG_0078.jpg[/URL]
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited July 2008
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    . . . I just had a religious experience.

    I'm not sure if it was the recording or my system. But, this album never sounded so good. IT was spooky sick. At one point there is a man speaking as music plays in the background. When he began speaking I jumped out of my seat . . . It sounded like he was right behind my left ear! Whispering. I'm frickin serious. Someone was in that room with me. Stereo is awesome!

    The music continues to play until it grows to full volume. The guitar was primarily at center stage, but a few spooky notes would jump behind my listening position. Amazing!

    God I love stereo and Tool!

    I've been there my friend. That's synergy! The room is an instrument too. Welcome to a higher side of hifi.

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62913&highlight=Undertow

    Also, it sounds like that noise you are hearing is just a natural part of tube pres at that level. You could fix that, but I would buy an Odyssey Candela. That's a deadly preamp and made for the Khartago. Dead silent with that amp of yours too. Not to give you any ideas . . .
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  • nikolas812
    nikolas812 Posts: 2,915
    edited July 2008
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    I've been there my friend. That's synergy! The room is an instrument too. Welcome to a higher side of hifi.

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62913&highlight=Undertow

    Also, it sounds like that noise you are hearing is just a natural part of tube pres at that level. You could fix that, but I would buy an Odyssey Candela. That's a deadly preamp and made for the Khartago. Dead silent with that amp of yours too. Not to give you any ideas . . .


    LOL! Your quote nailed it.. Too funny..

    The Candela was in mind as soon as I picked up the Khartago. I have looked at it ten times or more. I will probably pick one up eventually but right now I am just going to enjoy what I have. I don't want to leave this room.:D

    Nick
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  • stereojunkie
    stereojunkie Posts: 10
    edited August 2008
    very nice, the odyssey amps are very nice. alot of bang for the buck.
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  • nikolas812
    nikolas812 Posts: 2,915
    edited August 2008
    stereojunkie wrote: »
    very nice, the odyssey amps are very nice. alot of bang for the buck.

    I am extremely happy with it. Its by far the best and most musical amp I have ever owned.


    New pic.:cool:


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  • del44
    del44 Posts: 686
    edited August 2008
    Very clean set up. Is that a Pink Floyd record in the back? Where's the TT.:D
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  • nikolas812
    nikolas812 Posts: 2,915
    edited August 2008
    Thanks!

    The TT will be purchased in the not so distant future.;)

    I need to get the rig lined out first.



    Nick
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited August 2008
    Nick.
    Very nice. It makes me want to setup a second rig. My RTA15RDO's are collecting dust.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
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  • engtaz
    engtaz Posts: 7,663
    edited August 2008
    very nice setup. Congrats. I would be happy with that setup too.

    engtaz
    engtaz

    I love how music can brighten up a bad day.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited August 2008
    sweet setup,, what kinda' tubes are you running with the dodd?
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • nikolas812
    nikolas812 Posts: 2,915
    edited August 2008
    Thanks!

    Well... The tubes that are in it as we speak are Jan Phillips green labels.

    I have tried Ei Elite Gold pins
    Jan Phillips Blue Labels
    JJ's
    Amperex Green label Gold Pins 6922
    GE 6bq7's Shhhh. I don't even know if anybody knows you can use these tubes. But you can great deals on them since nobody knows about them.

    So far I don't like any of them. But I need to get my new cables in the system before I can really evaluate them. None of them seem to be as warm as I would like right now. But a lot of that could be due to cheap cables.

    If you know of a good warm tube off hand. Let me know.


    Nick
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited August 2008
    Mullards are warm from my experience with them. After George picks out the tubes he wants, from the ones I'm shipping to him, I may have a NOS pair of Mullards leftover. If I do, I'll let ya know.

    Nick,

    Where do you live in Indiana?
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
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  • nikolas812
    nikolas812 Posts: 2,915
    edited August 2008
    ND13 wrote: »
    Mullards are warm from my experience with them. After George picks out the tubes he wants, from the ones I'm shipping to him, I may have a NOS pair of Mullards leftover. If I do, I'll let ya know.

    Nick,

    Where do you live in Indiana?


    47126 zip

    Let me know.

    Nick
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited August 2008
    nikolas812 wrote: »
    Thanks!

    Well... The tubes that are in it as we speak are Jan Phillips green labels.

    I have tried Ei Elite Gold pins
    Jan Phillips Blue Labels
    JJ's
    Amperex Green label Gold Pins 6922
    GE 6bq7's Shhhh. I don't even know if anybody knows you can use these tubes. But you can great deals on them since nobody knows about them.

    So far I don't like any of them. But I need to get my new cables in the system before I can really evaluate them. None of them seem to be as warm as I would like right now. But a lot of that could be due to cheap cables.

    If you know of a good warm tube off hand. Let me know.


    Nick

    Nick,, I don't know if I would consider these warm,,eh maybe a tad,,,but I have some NOS matched Tesla's(not JJ) that I got from Hungary,,Let me know if you'd like a pair to try,,I'll send em to you,,if you like em,,keep em ,,I think that I paid 40.00 per pair,,I'm going to be putting most of my tubes in the FM soon anyway.
    EDIT--e88cc's
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • nikolas812
    nikolas812 Posts: 2,915
    edited August 2008
    george daniel wrote: »
    Nick,, I don't know if I would consider these warm,,eh maybe a tad,,,but I have some NOS matched Tesla's(not JJ) that I got from Hungary,,Let me know if you'd like a pair to try,,I'll send em to you,,if you like em,,keep em ,,I think that I paid 40.00 per pair,,I'm going to be putting most of my tubes in the FM soon anyway.
    EDIT--e88cc's


    Yes!! Send them..

    I have been looking at those exact tubes because of there warm sound. How ironic. I just haven't had the funds to pick them up yet. I am still recovering from buying this rig.

    PM is on its way.


    Nick
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  • nikolas812
    nikolas812 Posts: 2,915
    edited August 2008
    Well.

    Everything seems to be lined out. I got my speaker cables from signal last week And I got my IC's from Ben last week. The signals should be fully burned in and Ben's are getting pretty close.

    All I can say is WOW!!!. It really came around. It has been a roller coaster ride since I started building the rig. One day it would sound like **** and the next day it would sound great. Now it just sounds great.

    Today is the first day I have really got to sit down and just enjoy the rig. No swapping tubes every ten minutes. NO worrying about if cables are holding me back. No worries about anything. Just pop in a CD and listen to some great sounding music. I am listening to the Best of KC & Sunshine Band right now and everything sounds perfect. Horns, drums, vocals. Everything sounds as it should. At least in my mind anyway and thats all that really matters.

    Its very moving. Its like the rig is pulling me into the music. I'll start grinning a little bit, then start tapping my fingers, next comes the head bobbing and then the eyes close and I'm there.

    Rock on Everybody. I know I am.:D


    Nick
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited August 2008
    Congrats and enjoy!!!
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited August 2008
    Wooh hooh! You sure you still want me to come down Wednesday with my amp and cdp? Might throw a wrench in your happiness. . .
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  • nikolas812
    nikolas812 Posts: 2,915
    edited August 2008
    I'll take all the knowledge I can get.

    So... Yeah. I'll see ya Wendsday.


    Nick
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