Monitors vs. Full Range speakers???

obieone
obieone Posts: 5,077
edited July 2008 in Speakers
O.K., so I'm looking thru Audiogon, and they have the speakers grouped into Monitors, Full Range, and Planars. What Little I could gleam from a Google search, is that Monitors are more neutral, and generally cover a wider freq. range, and that they usually are more acurate reproduction?
I'm just trying to figure out which is gonna give me a more full range sound, and I'm confused.:confused:
I refuse to argue with idiots, because people can't tell the DIFFERENCE!
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  • Gaara
    Gaara Posts: 2,415
    edited July 2008
    Nope, you have it backwards. Monitors = bookshelves (on Agon) and Floorstanders = Floorstanders. That said Floorstanders cover a wider frequency range then monitors, as for more neutral, it depends the speaker.
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  • RutgersFTW
    RutgersFTW Posts: 458
    edited July 2008
    Just click on "Speakers." Then you get to scan through everything.
    Currently listening to:

    Marantz SR5004
    Sony BDP-S370
    Apple TV V2
    Audio Technica AT-LP120
    Mirage CMD-5 x 5
    Bic H-100
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited July 2008
    I'm not crazy about their setup either. Some of the speakers I like are considered monitors, but would be listed under full range due to their size. http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1218585039
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited July 2008
    This hobby sux, and you guys are killin' me:D
    I've got Monitor 60's. Are they classified as Monitor's, or just called them?
    They're 2 ways, but they're floorstanders???
    And Harbeth makes 'Monitor 40's', but they're 3 ways?

    Who's on 1st????:p
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 34,018
    edited July 2008
    What's in a name

    Don't worry about terms that are poorly defined and/or used more for marketing than anything else.

    A "reference monitor" can be any kind of speaker or speaker system, as long as its acoustic properties are well-known and well-understood by the engineer. A good bad example are the Auratone cubes once found ubiquitously in recording studios. They sound terrible... but the sound engineers knew that they were the standard to mix a hit single to be played on AM car radios. The (in)famous Yamaha NS-10 is another bad sounding but well-established studio monitor. Altec 604 duplex (coax) speakers were once nearly ubiquitous monitors in radio stations and also in many studios.

    I can't offer any insight into Audiogon's categories... I don't frequent Audiogon.
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited July 2008
    Sooooo, Audiogon's classification is NOT an industry standard?
    I refuse to argue with idiots, because people can't tell the DIFFERENCE!
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  • amulford
    amulford Posts: 5,020
    edited July 2008
    Not hardly
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited July 2008
    Sonamabitch!GRRRRRRR! I'm gettin' agravated over here!:eek:
    Well....I guess that's why there's only 1 article on the subject. DOH!
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited July 2008
    obieone wrote: »
    I'm just trying to figure out which is gonna give me a more full range sound, and I'm confused.:confused:
    There's no replacement for displacement.
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,094
    edited July 2008
    obieone wrote: »
    O.K., so I'm looking thru Audiogon, and they have the speakers grouped into Monitors, Full Range, and Planars. What Little I could gleam from a Google search, is that Monitors are more neutral, and generally cover a wider freq. range, and that they usually are more acurate reproduction?
    I'm just trying to figure out which is gonna give me a more full range sound, and I'm confused.:confused:

    You read correctly. For soundstaging, pin point imaging, to die for vocals, and there uncanny ability to literally disappear in a room...a pair of monitors are truly the "Cats Meow".
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited July 2008
    pearsall001 wrote: »
    You read correctly. For soundstaging, pin point imaging, to die for vocals, and there uncanny ability to literally disappear in a room...a pair of monitors are truly the "Cats Meow".

    This is debatable. The main difference between a monitor and a floorstander is the size and the amount of bass it puts out. Of course there are plenty of exceptions, but a floorstander will typically produce more bass than a monitor.

    In terms of soundstaging, imaging, and vocals, a monitor is not necessarily superior by virtue of its design. I used to own a pair of Taylo monitors, and there are a few people on this forum who would agree that these monitors have outstanding soundstaging an imaging capabilities. However, once I replaced them with my current floorstanders, it was no contest -- the soundstage of the floorstanders was much wider, probably due largely to more bass output. For my main rig, there's no way I would consider going back to monitors.
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited July 2008
    Early B. wrote: »
    For my main rig, there's no way I would consider going back to monitors.

    I guess that's why there are options; I would not consider going back to floorstanders ;)
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited July 2008
    Ricardo wrote: »
    I guess that's why there are options; I would not consider going back to floorstanders ;)

    Ha ha. Your track record is worse than mine. You'll have a new pair of floorstanders next week.:p
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited July 2008
    What are benefits to each? From what I understand(which is very little at this point!)
    Monitors are a better reproduction, but Full Range gives certain nuances?
    I refuse to argue with idiots, because people can't tell the DIFFERENCE!
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited July 2008
    Are there any mid-high end shops near you that you could listen to some gear and see what you like?
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited July 2008
    Yes & no. There's 2 other than tweeter, but only 1 is open on Sat. and they only carry Def. Tech. and MagnePlanars. I heard the Mag's, they sounded alright, but nothing special to me?
    I'm looking for something w/ more bass presence, but without the diconnect I've heard from the Def. Tech. 7006's.(Similar to LSi15's)
    I listened to them at Best Buy, and the sub's were facing back in towards the wall.
    I thought those drivers were to be facing out, not in?

    The other place is open M-F only, but they carry Paradigm's. And I DO want to hear those.
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited July 2008
    Well you will just have to take a vacation day from work & go have a listening session!
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited July 2008
    Early B. wrote: »
    For my main rig, there's no way I would consider going back to monitors.

    Here's something funny. My wife has green lighted changing around the furniture in the den. I think it would be beneficial sonically (going from length-wide to width-wise in a 13' x 20 room). However, the room change calls for bookshelf speakers.:eek:

    Any local Polkies in the market for a nice pair of floorstanders? Aaarrghh!:eek: I hate this hobby.:o
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited July 2008
    Early B. wrote: »
    Here's something funny. My wife has green lighted changing around the furniture in the den. I think it would be beneficial sonically (going from length-wide to width-wise in a 13' x 20 room). However, the room change calls for bookshelf speakers.:eek:

    Any local Polkies in the market for a nice pair of floorstanders? Aaarrghh!:eek: I hate this hobby.:o

    :):):) Funny, isn't it?

    I was actually looking at your comment on my track record above, and realized that since I got these monitors I'm on my way to set a record. 7 months and counting!!!

    Just for reference, in the last 2-3 years I've had:

    Thiel 3.6's: 4 months
    Tyler Linbrook system: 6 months
    3.1TL's: 4 months
    Carver AL-III's: 4 months (Alternating with the 3.1TL's)
    1.2TL's: 11 months
    SRS's: 2 months
    1B's: 3 months

    2007 was definitely a roller coaster :eek::eek:
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited July 2008
    I know how ya'll feel. ;)
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,094
    edited July 2008
    Early B. wrote: »
    Here's something funny. My wife has green lighted changing around the furniture in the den. I think it would be beneficial sonically (going from length-wide to width-wise in a 13' x 20 room). However, the room change calls for bookshelf speakers.:eek:

    Any local Polkies in the market for a nice pair of floorstanders? Aaarrghh!:eek: I hate this hobby.:o

    Just buy small furniture...this way your speaks will still fit!! :D
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,812
    edited July 2008
    There's no subsitute for large radiating surfaces and a man's amp.
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