A New Low Standard Set

George Grand

One of my Preferred customers has just PMed me to inform me that he'd like to cancel his order with me. It seems he has received a PM from my good pal BaggedLancer, who has offered to sell him the same vinyl.

I kept my mouth shut when he took out the full-page George Grand ad. No more.

What we basically have here is a guy who watched me sell vinyl and give the money away for a couple years. Then it finally hit him that "There's far too much money going to those handicapped kids, and not enough to me!" I get a donation offer as a smoke screen for the fact that somewhere down the road he'd like to steal all the business if he can. Sorry I wasn't stupid enough to fall for that.

I don't feel the low standard was set by the Preferred Customer either.

ESavinon

You win some, You lose some. The way i see it, it's his loss.
I hope to make that preferred list someday.

BaggedLancer

Takes one to know one George. It seems that you did the EXACT same thing to me 2 days ago on another forum. The person claimed they received a PM from you saying you were their man for vinyl and not me. I've already had a discussion with a couple people regarding this issue over the last 2 days and they are full aware of what you did 2 days ago. I've already had a discussion with a couple people regarding this issue over the last 2 days and they are full aware of what you did on the other forum; however, they aren't aware yet you did it here as well.


Just returning the favor now.


P.S. - George, I've already tried to work things out wiith you, but you just keep ignoring me. I would have liked to work something out where I sell classical for a couple weeks while you sell other stuff, and vice versa, but you want no part of it.

George Grand

I'd take you off ignore, but I don't understand snake anyway. Grumpy's going to love this. Trust me on that one.

Hey, I guess I can't do much about stopping you from reading the posts and trying to steal the customers, but at the very least, don't post in that thread.

BaggedLancer

George Grand wrote: »

I'd take you off ignore, but I don't understand snake anyway. Grumpy's going to love this. Trust me on that one.

Going to love what George? That you started it all by PMing someone on Sunday about buying from me? You have me confused here.


All this could have been avoided had you just talked to me weeks ago, but nope. You decided to ignore the situation and look what happens.

I'm not here to get into a shouting match, I tried to resolve things on my end, you wanted no part of it and took the "business is business" attitude. What else is there to say?

george daniel

Guy's it's 3 am and I just helped my 85 year old mother go to the bathroom and I gotta tell youse,, the planet is large enough for both of you, enough of this bad "ju ju"

BaggedLancer

george daniel wrote: »

the planet is large enough for both of you, enough of this bad "ju ju"

Exactly what I've said all along. I was just minding my own business till the people buying from me started receiving PM's and emails questioning buying from me.(as of 2 days ago) I sort of felt betrayed since I had never done something like that since we were both coexisting on two forums with no issue. When I found out today it wasn't just the other forum it was happening on, but also here on Club Polk, I decided to do the same thing back.

Was it right to do? Probably not.

Does it suck when it happens? Absolutely.

Sucks enough to have GG make a thread about it so you all can read about it now.

Could it have been avoided? Easily.

George Grand

Bump for all to see.

George, how is putting your 85 year old mom to bed anywhere akin to an individual with very few scruples? I fail to see the analogy. My money goes to the handicapped, his money goes to him. I don't care to see the handicapped money go to him. It's pretty cut and dry.

george daniel

Who bailed? What I mean is did they have any "diddbed" lp's that are now available?

George Grand

The open forum is no place to post the bailee's name. Just the snake's name.

No dibbed albums but whatever was selected will go back into circulation.

Ricardo

Wow. I have no idea what has been going on behind the scenes, here or on whatever other forum you are talking about, but I've bought great records from both of you, and would be happy to continue doing so.

I have never received a PM from anyone telling me where to buy or not to buy, and yesterday I placed an order with both of you.

When I'm at a store, if I feel more than a little pressure from the sales guy, I usually leave and go somewhere else.

Demiurge

If I buy a product I don't care where the money goes (generally speaking). If I am feeling charitable, I'll give money to a charity. I don't feel the need to get something for the effort. I don't think there's a reason why both of you can't sell on this forum and do whatever the hell you want to with the money. You can burn it for all I care. I'm sure when people buy from George they take into consideration it's going to a good cause. Those that don't...so what? It's their money.

It is kind of unethical to screw with a seller's sale with a buyer, which always was one of those unwritten rules here. It's also wrong to guilt trip people into buying your stuff over someone else's because it's going to charity. Let people make their own decisions with their money.

I agree with Ricardo that if I am being pressured I would leave and go somewhere else. I haven't bought anything from either of you.

reeltrouble1

BaggedLancer wrote: »

Just returning the favor now.

Wow. Messing with someone's sale has always been taboo here.

Thanks for the info George.

RT1

Systems

Rut Ro!!!!

Chuck

BaggedLancer

George Grand wrote: »

My money goes to the handicapped, his money goes to him. I don't care to see the handicapped money go to him. It's pretty cut and dry.

Can someone please tell me why it's ok for Russman and others to sell vinyl at the same time George is selling vinyl, to the point that Geroge makes posts such as "Screw Russ, buy these albums" but when I come along it's not ok?

I just don't understand what's going on here....just another person on the forum selling vinyl like Russman and others.

I'm not responding to nonsense anymore. I have 60 positive feedbacks on this site, 50 of those from vinyl. There is no issue with anything I sell or how I sell it.

ohskigod

George Grand wrote: »

One of my Preferred customers has just PMed me to inform me that he'd like to cancel his order with me. It seems he has received a PM from my good pal BaggedLancer, who has offered to sell him the same vinyl.
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just my .02, is the buyer getting off light here? I'm a "deal is a deal" guy. only way I might back off the buyer blame issue is if george was trying to get the vinyl, but bagged actually had it. even then it's dicey, do i need a record that badly?

I would really ramp up the buyer blame if it was an issue where a deal was on, but bagged gave it to him cheaper. at that point, I default to a deal is a deal, you agree to buy something from someone, you buy it (barring a life altering event or something)

just spitballing here



that said, sending PM's to cut off deals is going to cause bad blood, bad blood club polk can do without, so....whatever justifications not withstanding, lets knock it off. post your wares for sale, make deals, and let there be no interference of existing deals. I think we can all agree on that to a degree

Jstas

This is why I listen to CD's.

steveinaz

Integrity is doing the right thing, when no one is looking...

and that's all I'm gonna say.

Systems

Now I don't know who to buy from??????????????????? I'm so confused but thats normal for me at most times.

Chuck

criverajr

I agree with others their is plenty of room on this forum for both of you to sell your wares. People will spend and shop with their money with whoever they want. Let's keep this great forum going with good karma and sales. carry on Gentlemen!

CRj

BaggedLancer

I concur with the rest long as I get the guarantee the people buying from me aren't going to get hassled about buying from me because its not for charity.

From what I can tell Mr. Grand you are unique in donating all your money to charity. No one else does that on this forum and what you do is commendable. But certainly you can't sit there and say its ok to hold a grudge against someone selling a similiar product but does not donate the proceeds to charity.

There is plenty of room for both of us and I'd still like to have.a non public conversation with you about what we sell and when we sell it. I could sell classical for 2-3 weeks while you sell what you have listed now. The vice versa. This way the forum gets a giant selection of everything with no competition and no issues like what we have now.


Mark

George Grand

I won't mess with anybody elses sales. Nobody is being PRESSURED into buying anything from me.

There is something especially slimy and unctuous associated with knowing that someone is perusing all your threads, and maybe your deals, looking for an "in".

You want to stand up for THAT, go right ahead. I'm learning **** about people right here and now.


I have had the individual on Ignore for quite some time now. This is how I can peacefully co-exist here with some folks. I don't see his vinyl sales, what vinyl he sells, how much he sells, who he sells to, or how much he charges. It's cause I don't really care. I didn't see his tirade against me when he found out he was on my Ignore list. I didn't think it would do any good for me to see any of that so I never took him off Ignore. I also, really didn't and still, DON'T CARE. I haven't seen any of his responses to this thread.

Save the preaching for an individual, this is not a group problem. Preach to the individual who brought the problem here.

shack

Lasareath wrote:

Who do I buy the CD's From?

I have some cassettes I'll let you have real cheap.

Jstas

shack wrote: »

I have some cassettes I'll let you have real cheap.

I'll let you ship them to me for a small fee.

SolidSqual

Last time I checked the Polk forum had not become socialist. Capitalism is brutal and underhanded sometimes in the eyes of some. But that's the way some people like to make a buck. I see nothing wrong with it.

Your buyers have the right to pick and choose who they want to purchase from as they receive new info form competitors.

reeltrouble1

SolidSqual wrote: »

Last time I checked the Polk forum had not become socialist. Capitalism is brutal and underhanded sometimes in the eyes of some. But that's the way some people like to make a buck. I see nothing wrong with it.

Your buyers have the right to pick and choose who they want to purchase from as they receive new info form competitors.

Sorry, but the FM was never intended to be a Captitalist venture. The FM is strictly for private sales. Your pretty new so maybe you see it the way you state, but rest assured many of us do not. Again, messing with an ongoing deal has always been taboo, its what makes this place a club and not just a forum.

I am with Lou about the buyer in this deal.

Just as both can and should sell in the forum, I am steadfest against any member scooping a deal from another on the FM.

RT1

danger boy

bottom line is who cares? this doesn't affect me or a lot of others on here. so take it to private messages.. which is how it should have been handled in the first place in an adult manner. Sheesh guys.

George, where you choose to donate your money to is your business.. please don't use that to make some people feel guilty that because you lost a sale or two, that your chosen recepient will go without.


Have a nice day!

danger boy

I should make my above post more clear.. since it could be taken the wrong way.


It's not that I don't care about George's daughter and the foundation he and many other's work so hard to raise needed money for. I truly do care and have donated some $ myself in the past. I'm all for that.

Taking things public some times causes divisions between the members and people will start to take sides. No one wins that way. Both GG and BL have their own reason's for selling and raising money. Both are valid.

there are enough people in here and plenty of other forums where buyers will gladly buy your vinyl. You just need to venture out and find those people.

that's it.. i'm out for some lunch.

shack

reeltrouble1 wrote:

Sorry, but the FM was never intended to be a Captitalist venture. The FM is strictly for private sales. Your pretty new so maybe you see it the way you state, but rest assured many of us do not.

Ted hit the nail squarely on the head. The FM is more about helping each other out with a good deal than making a buck. I would venture that most who sell here do so at a much lower price than could be obtained elsewhere.

reeltrouble1 wrote:

Again, messing with an ongoing deal has always been taboo, its what makes this place a club and not just a forum.

Just as both can and should sell in the forum, I am steadfest against any member scooping a deal from another on the FM.

THIS is the big issue with me. It's one thing to "advertise" to all comers that you have a big sale via posts, emails, PMs, etc. It is completely another if it was a "I can sell that to you cheaper" situation initiated by a seller. If the buyer went looking for a better deal...so be it...but shame on them if they bust a deal.

("And the law says: bust a deal and face the wheel!" - quote from Aunty Entity)

audiobliss

Wow, this is sad. I'm not going to pick sides, here. I don't see it as there being a right and wrong side.

Seems to me as though unscrupulous business practices and childish behavior are rampant on both sides. You just have to accept that in life.

That said, if I see a record for sale by either member that I want (and can afford!), I'll buy it without hesitation.

mrbigbluelight

I'm feeling pressured to buy.


A turntable, that is.

Both you d00ds have nice vinyl offerings, but I don't have a TT (yet) and it's really starting to annoy me.

The real butt-cheese is/are the buyer(s) who made a commitment to buy, than backed out. That's wrong, period. If you pony up, you should pay up.
Period.