Monster XP-CI wire Vs others?
paymontna
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Monster XP-CI speaker wires vs. the 12 awg braided speaker wire from Lowes? What are the technical advantages?
And I mean calling all cars, blackhawk down, mushroom cloud, Three Mile Island, lock the door behind you kind of mad.:mad:
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There are no technical advantages.
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Technical advantages? I think you should be more concerned about the sound differences.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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Technical advantages? I think you should be more concerned about the sound differences.
I know what the sound differences are. I was wondering what specifically improves the audio quality.And I mean calling all cars, blackhawk down, mushroom cloud, Three Mile Island, lock the door behind you kind of mad.:mad: -
I know what the sound differences are. I was wondering what specifically improves the audio quality.
No one seems to know. It must be magic. -
It's not a matter of "improving" the sound, it's the tonal character the cable imparts on the signal because of it's materials, topology, design, insulator, etc. I have personally never noticed any difference between 12ga multi-strands, regardless of maker. I have noticed differences in the tonal quality of multi-strand and solid copper conductor type cables. Some people detect these differences, others don't. I think the point F1 was making is that you prbably need to "hear" them rather than speculate on what you've read about them--or depend on someone elses opinion. IOW, make up your own mind if the differences are there. Either way you're getting the full audio bandwidth.
As far as this Monster "magnetic flux tube" thingy, who knows. Probably an expensive theory. You would probably be fine to just buy some good quality multi-strand and not worry too much beyond that, unless you're looking for a higher end cable.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2 -
There are some members who believe in science. They generally believe that if there are differences between wires then there should be measurable differences, since measuring equipment is much more sensitive then human ears ever will be.
The flip side is the members who believe there is more to it then just measurements. They believe that many audio attributes can't be properly measured, and therefore even if two items such as speaker wire measure the same there can be differences between them.
That said the differences between the two wire will be gauge, % oxygen free, geometry, etc. and the measurable difference will in capacitance, inductance, resistance etc. -
The flip side is the members who believe there is more to it then just measurements.
Thus the magic...:pMonitor 7b's front
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But oddly, even those who claim science over experience aren't running 18awg lamp cord and the 49 cent ic's that came with their equipment--even though science dictates they are capable of carrying the full audio spectrum. Hypocrisy? You make that call. I call it subjective preference.
The only opinion you need in this hobby is located on each side of your head, they never lie, and will let you know immediately if you've made a bad choice. So rock on.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2 -
But oddly, even those who claim science over experience aren't running 18awg lamp cord and the 49 cent ic's that came with their equipment--even though science says they are capable of carrying the full audio spectrum. Hypocrisy? You make that call. I call it subjective preference.
Call it what you want, but science tells us that 18ga cable will add too much resistance for the 30 foot runs I have to my mains. Science also tells us that the 49 cent IC's are not shielded well enough to reject noise. It's easily measurable. How is that hypocrisy?
Most of us also have experience, what we seem to lack is a vivid imagination. -
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Not again...
....ok I'm listening.:pMonitor 7b's front
Monitor 4's surround
Frankinpolk Center (2 mw6503's with peerless tweeter)
M10's back surround
Hafler-200 driving patio Daytons
Tempest-X 15" DIY sub w/ Rythmik 350A plate amp
Dayton 12" DVC w/ Rythmik 350a plate amp
Harman/Kardon AVR-635
Oppo 981hd
Denon upconvert DVD player
Jennings Research (vintage and rare)
Mit RPTV WS-55513
Tosh HD-XA1
B&K AV5000
Dont BAN me Bro!!!!:eek: -
Call it what you want, but science tells us that 18ga cable will add too much resistance for the 30 foot runs I have to my mains. Science also tells us that the 49 cent IC's are not shielded well enough to reject noise. It's easily measurable. How is that hypocrisy?
Most of us also have experience, what we seem to lack is a vivid imagination.
Absolutely, that length would require a higher gauge (well, arguably. it could be done, but it's not ideal or recommended)--but I agree. I'm not arguing with the science--I whole-heartedly agree, but I believe there's more to it than just the science. Science, specified measurements required for a cable to perform the way it was intended is of course important--in fact paramount, but I believe it's only a piece of the puzzle.
IME, 49 cent IC's work just fine if routed properly--so I disagree with you on that point.
When I say "experience" I mean the experience of listening to the cable--not in terms of years of knowledge. Vivid imagination?--maybe, but what difference does it make, it's my dime, my decision, my system. Right?Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2 -
The Martians did it...Monitor 7b's front
Monitor 4's surround
Frankinpolk Center (2 mw6503's with peerless tweeter)
M10's back surround
Hafler-200 driving patio Daytons
Tempest-X 15" DIY sub w/ Rythmik 350A plate amp
Dayton 12" DVC w/ Rythmik 350a plate amp
Harman/Kardon AVR-635
Oppo 981hd
Denon upconvert DVD player
Jennings Research (vintage and rare)
Mit RPTV WS-55513
Tosh HD-XA1
B&K AV5000
Dont BAN me Bro!!!!:eek: -
Are you sure about that?Call it what you want, but science tells us that 18ga cable will add too much resistance for the 30 foot runs I have to my mains.
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#wiretable"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
When I say "experience" I mean the experience of listening to the cable--not in terms of years of knowledge. Vivid imagination?--maybe, but what difference does it make, it's my dime, my decision, my system. Right?
I knew what you meant by experience. -
Are you sure about that?
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#wiretable
Positive, I use 4 ohm speakers. -
My cable bill is way too high...Monitor 7b's front
Monitor 4's surround
Frankinpolk Center (2 mw6503's with peerless tweeter)
M10's back surround
Hafler-200 driving patio Daytons
Tempest-X 15" DIY sub w/ Rythmik 350A plate amp
Dayton 12" DVC w/ Rythmik 350a plate amp
Harman/Kardon AVR-635
Oppo 981hd
Denon upconvert DVD player
Jennings Research (vintage and rare)
Mit RPTV WS-55513
Tosh HD-XA1
B&K AV5000
Dont BAN me Bro!!!!:eek: -
Lets all go wireless....
....nevermind ...then we would fight about the different transmitters.. and how the signal changes with different temperatures,. and what setting on our thermostats would be optimal for signal transfer......and the fight over humidity levels...and distance and at what angle the signal should travel...
..scratch that idea...
...I like Mars....Monitor 7b's front
Monitor 4's surround
Frankinpolk Center (2 mw6503's with peerless tweeter)
M10's back surround
Hafler-200 driving patio Daytons
Tempest-X 15" DIY sub w/ Rythmik 350A plate amp
Dayton 12" DVC w/ Rythmik 350a plate amp
Harman/Kardon AVR-635
Oppo 981hd
Denon upconvert DVD player
Jennings Research (vintage and rare)
Mit RPTV WS-55513
Tosh HD-XA1
B&K AV5000
Dont BAN me Bro!!!!:eek: -
It's a well estabished fact that you, William, can't hear a difference, so why you bother to discuss anything to do with cables is beyond me. You seem to have that, I'm miserable and I want everyone else to be also, mentality. The funny thing is, no one ever seems to want to join you.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
It's a well estabished fact that you, William, can't hear a difference, so why you bother to discuss anything to do with cables is beyond me. You seem to have that, I'm miserable and I want everyone else to be also, mentality. The funny thing is, no one ever seems to want to join you.
It's also a well established fact that NO ONE has been able to prove they hear a difference in a double blind test. Wierd, since so many claim that they could do it.
I'm not miserable at all, instead of constantly listening to my cables, I listen to music. Odd concept.
If you have no wish to discuss it, then don't reply. Simple really. -
Nice attemp at trolling, Face.:rolleyes:
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I feel bad for you since you can't hear a difference."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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What's to discuss with you? Obviously, you're deaf.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
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Catchy! I like it.
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Hey, live & let live.
You don't hear a difference, fine. State your opinion and move on--but it's always an "offensive" against those of us who do hear differences. Let's call it an insecurity. It's one thing to have an opinion, it's quite another to discount everyone elses because you think the earth is flat. Nobody cares. People will (hopefully) make up their own minds armed with the knowledge that the coin has another side.
Why would I need to prove anything to anyone? I couldn't give less of a **** how you feel about me, my methods, or my decisions. I'm just throwing some observations out there that may (or may not) be worth investigating. Get over yourself.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2 -
Hey, live & let live.
You don't hear a difference, fine. State your opinion and move on--but it's always an "offensive" against those of us who do hear differences. Let's call it an insecurity. It's one thing to have an opinion, it's quite another to discount everyone elses because you think the earth is flat. Nobody cares. People will (hopefully) make up their own minds armed with the knowledge that the coin has another side.
Why would I need to prove anything to anyone? I couldn't give less of a **** how you feel about me, my methods, or my decisions. I'm just throwing some observations out there that may (or may not) be worth investigating. Get over yourself.
You realize everything you said goes both ways. You hear a difference, fine state your opinion and move on.
But no, the "believers" must result to insults and name calling. Insecure, hypocrite, deaf, whatever. Why? Because you have absolutely nothing to back your claims.
It's pretty clear who's insecure. -
But oddly, even those who claim science over experience aren't running 18awg lamp cord and the 49 cent ic's that came with their equipment--even though science dictates they are capable of carrying the full audio spectrum. Hypocrisy? You make that call. I call it subjective preference.
The only opinion you need in this hobby is located on each side of your head, they never lie, and will let you know immediately if you've made a bad choice. So rock on.
I never understood this mentality, the false dichotomy of either you believe in science and use the cables that came in the box, or you don't and use fancy stuff always bugged me.
I can't really hear differences between cables, I have stated this before. With that said I do not use cheap cables that come in the box, I use specs to make my decision. Perfect example, digital coax, this should be familiar to you Steve. I chose Belden 1694a the reason for this decision was it was of a sufficient gauge, was very well shielded, had a low capacitance and was the right impedance. This $15 cable meets all the requirements of a good performing digital coax, so I am content with this decision.
It isn't that I don't believe there are difference between cables, I do, but I feel that they are easily measurable. I am sure if you compared the specs of 1694a to that DH Labs you used previously you would find measurable differences which reflect what you are hearing. I am not saying you should use science over your own ears, but you could have found your grail long ago if you paid attention to specs. -
....nevermind ...then we would fight about the different transmitters.. and how the signal changes with different temperatures,. and what setting on our thermostats would be optimal for signal transfer......and the fight over humidity levels...and distance and at what angle the signal should travel...
Its all about the majic. And there is a cable designer out there that recommends plants for humidity control, more for driver performance then cables though...I think it was someone from Cardas. -
I bet I can hang myself with any cable or interconnect, and it would work just fine....but if I'm going out that way, it's esoteric baby.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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I'll let you know next time I invite some Polkies over, so we can show you the light.I can't really hear differences between cables, I have stated this before. "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
