Evidence of cable break-in?

F1nut

RutgersFTW wrote: »

If it's not measurable, it's not evidence. Cable break in is a myth and I'd like to meet a true believer in cabling who can also score > 50% on a cable A/B. That's not too much to ask. But hey, hobbies don't have to be practical, only entertaining.

Actually at the last CES, two famed audio reviewers scored 100% in a blind A/B cable test.

Humble pie is down aisle 5.

steveinaz

I'm glad all of them straightened me out Jesse, now I can pull my 49 cent IC's back out of the box and sell these **** Hero's...LOL

the earth is flat, the earth is flat...

RutgersFTW

F1nut wrote: »

Actually at the last CES, two famed audio reviewers scored 100% in a blind A/B cable test.

Humble pie is down aisle 5.

Link please? I googled this with no luck.

steveinaz

Here's a link, go listen for yourself. Then come back and tell us what you found. Stop reading so much, it'll poison your brain--take that from a '70's hippy.

RutgersFTW

steveinaz wrote: »

I'm glad all of them straightened me out Jesse, now I can pull my 49 cent IC's back out of the box and sell these **** Hero's...LOL

the earth is flat, the earth is flat...

You're calling me a flat-Earther but you believe in the wondrous powers of cables despite countless studies to the contrary? Does not compute.

F1nut

I don't remember where I read it, you'll just have to take my word on it and I'm not going to try to find it.

Curious, have you ever tried better cables and if so, was it on gear other than what you own?

RutgersFTW

steveinaz wrote: »

Here's a link, go listen for yourself. Then come back and tell us what you found. Stop reading so much, it'll poison your brain--take that from a '70's hippy.

Well, 70s hippy, I'm glad you have great interconnects to ward off high-frequency roll off despite aging having done so for you years ago.

F1nut

Who the hell ever said that the only purpose of better cables was to ward off high frequency roll off??? That doesn't make any sense.

steveinaz

Of course it doesn't compute.
Because I base my conclusions on actual experience, not what I've heard or read in some else opinion on the matter.

I'm disappointed, isn't this younger generation suppose to be thinking "outside the box?"

RutgersFTW

F1nut wrote: »

I don't remember where I read it, you'll just have to take my word on it and I'm not going to try to find it.

Curious, have you ever tried better cables and if so, was it on gear other than what you own?

The best cables I've tried are Blue Jeans, so not really I guess. There are so many other variables in the production of sound between furniture placement, listening position, reflections, treatments, etc... that the miniscule improvements big buck cables might provide a super high-end setup seem like the very last thing I'd ever worry about upgrading. Granted, there are some people with very nice rigs here that might actually benefit in some way from low-impedance speaker wire or directional interconnects made entirely of diamonds or whatever, but I don't know that I'll ever get there.

Also - I've read that expensive interconnects often do sound different but that the difference is a discoloration (in the same sense some people prefer coaxial digital to the uncolored sound of optical or HDMI). I guess we've all got a sound in our heads that we want to hear, and if the cables alter it to meet that goal then it's a good thing.

F1nut

Yeah, it's a funny thing Steve. The naysayers come out of the dark like cockroaches whenever someone mentions cable burn in. Hilarious!

RutgersFTW

steveinaz wrote: »

Of course it doesn't compute.
Because I base my conclusions on actual experience, not what I've heard or read in some else opinion on the matter.

I'm disappointed, isn't this younger generation suppose to be thinking "outside the box?"

I'm thinking "how not to get my money took." The economy ain't what she used to be and I want to get the most for my dwindling purchasing power.

I'm a 2000s hippy who would love to hear your gear for myself, for what it's worth.

steveinaz

RutgersFTW wrote: »

Well, 70s hippy, I'm glad you have great interconnects to ward off high-frequency roll off despite aging having done so for you years ago.

Shoot, I'll admit to more than that--my left ear is shot--thanks to an M60 machine gun; and my "good" ear is only good to about 12kHz on a good day. You'd think I'd save the money and use coat hangers huh?

RutgersFTW

F1nut wrote: »

Who the hell ever said that the only purpose of better cables was to ward off high frequency roll off??? That doesn't make any sense.

There are some types of cables I envy, but I'm not paying through the nose for gussied-up copper or silver no matter how many glowing testimonials I hear.

I find it odd that so many are happy to pounce on Denon's $500 ethernet cable in that other thread but so many have drunk the Kool-Aid on aftermarket power cables, for instance.

steveinaz

RutgersFTW wrote: »

I'm thinking "how not to get my money took." The economy ain't what she used to be and I want to get the most for my dwindling purchasing power.

I'm a 2000s hippy who would love to hear your gear for myself, for what it's worth.

My cables aren't crazy expensive, in fact they're pretty modest compared to what some these guys have. I think my system sounds good, I'd could use a speaker upgrade--but that's later down the road.

-Benchmark DAC1 preamp/DAC
-Parasound HCA1500A Amp
-CEC CD3300 CD transport
-Energy Connoisseur C-9 tower speakers
-Kimber 8TC and Hero/Belden digital coax

RutgersFTW

steveinaz wrote: »

Shoot, I'll admit to more than that--my left ear is shot--thanks to an M60 machine gun; and my "good" ear is only good to about 12kHz on a good day. You'd think I'd save the money and use coat hangers huh?

http://consumerist.com/362926/do-coat-hangers-sound-as-good-monster-cables

Obviously Monster's products are hardly high-end, but it still made me chuckle.

RutgersFTW

steveinaz wrote: »

My cables aren't crazy expensive, in fact they're pretty modest compared to what some these guys have. I think my system sounds good, I'd could use a speaker upgrade--but that's later down the road.

-Benchmark DAC1 preamp/DAC
-Parasound HCA1500A Amp
-CEC CD3300 CD transport
-Energy Connoisseur C-9 tower speakers
-Kimber 8TC and Hero/Belden digital coax

I'd much rather save up for a speaker and amp upgrade than cabling, and I think I'd get more for my investment. Once I break $5,000 on my system I imagine I could find Audioquest's product literature enticing.

F1nut

There are some types of cables I envy, but I'm not paying through the nose for gussied-up copper or silver no matter how many glowing testimonials I hear.

That's all well and fine, but don't tell me what I hear is wrong.

RutgersFTW

steveinaz wrote: »

My cables aren't crazy expensive, in fact they're pretty modest compared to what some these guys have. I think my system sounds good, I'd could use a speaker upgrade--but that's later down the road.

-Benchmark DAC1 preamp/DAC
-Parasound HCA1500A Amp
-CEC CD3300 CD transport
-Energy Connoisseur C-9 tower speakers
-Kimber 8TC and Hero/Belden digital coax

You're right, those aren't crazy expensive cables. They're very nice, in fact, and the Belden is only marginally more expensive than what Monoprice sells.

steveinaz

I think the Monoprice coax's are Belden if I'm not mistaking. I got mine thru Blue Jeans, $16.95 (I needed BNC on one end). My 8TC's were $249 (8ft/pr), the Hero's I believe were $150.

tonyb

RutgersFTW wrote: »

There are some types of cables I envy, but I'm not paying through the nose for gussied-up copper or silver no matter how many glowing testimonials I hear.

I find it odd that so many are happy to pounce on Denon's $500 ethernet cable in that other thread but so many have drunk the Kool-Aid on aftermarket power cables, for instance.

Well,Ya know what they say..........

Don't knock it 'till ya try it.