rice shortage?

danger boy
danger boy Posts: 15,722
edited May 2008 in The Clubhouse
ok. do we really need something else in short supply?

I was at Costco today.. and they are limiting how much rice you can buy.. :confused: because of a world wide rice shortage. Every other cart had a bag of rice in it.. American's don't eat as much rice as other countries around the world.. so i'm not to concerned at all.

What do you all think about the impending rice shortage?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/24/BUUR10AOLH.DTL
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  • schwarcw
    schwarcw Posts: 7,341
    edited May 2008
    Just a blip, people are hoarding it.

    I'll eat pie instead. SONA!!!! Make me a pie!
    Carl

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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited May 2008
    Hee Hee.. some of the blogs about the rice shortage are funny..

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article/comments/view?f=/c/a/2008/04/25/BUUR10AOLH.DTL

    "I bought the last 6-48 oz bags of brown Jasmine Rice from Thailand at the Trader Joes store on Masonic. I also got 2-32 oz Organic Basmatti Rice bags. They all have a 12 month shelf life. In a couple of months, maybe I'll put them up on E-Bay."

    "Three days ago picked up four 60 pound sacks of rice and a pallet of taco shells. Dinner at my house?" :p:p:p
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  • Polk user
    Polk user Posts: 311
    edited May 2008
    To us it's no big deal but to the 2 orphanages I buy rice for in the Philippines and Cambodia its no joke. The price of rice has more than doubled in the last 6 months and thats all they get to eat. Whether the shortage is real or not it doesn't matter to the poor people of the 3rd world when they now can't afford to feed themselves.
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited May 2008
    Y'know what's scarier? There's been a HUGE population drop of honey bees. I heard a couple of weeks ago on NPR, and they're saying it could mean the END of civilization
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited May 2008
    It's about time, civilization has SO played out.
    If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
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  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited May 2008
    schwarcw wrote: »
    Just a blip, people are hoarding it.

    I'll eat pie instead. SONA!!!! Make me a pie!

    That's hilarious Carl.
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited May 2008
    The rice shortage is a blip, and when weather conditions improve in the major growing areas it will turn around.

    The honey bee die-off is a real concern, as crop pollination is impacted. Few people understand the domino effect that continued die-off of the bees could have.
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited May 2008
    Wrong. The reason for the rice shortage is ETHANOL. By far the dumbest thing this country has done in recent memory.
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  • mrbigbluelight
    mrbigbluelight Posts: 9,840
    edited May 2008
    ^^^^^ +1000.

    You're correct Demi .... some day, our children will look back on the corn/ethanol debacle and ask, "What were you thinking ?".
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited May 2008
    i thought by now more cars were going to run on used french fry oil from McDonald's ? :confused:
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited May 2008
    The rice shortage is a manufactured lie to increase prices. Sound familiar?
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited May 2008
    Aliens are stealing all the rice!
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited May 2008
    Early B. wrote: »
    The rice shortage is a manufactured lie to increase prices. Sound familiar?

    Sure does, crazy conspiracy theorists say that all the time about other things! :D:p
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited May 2008
    bobman1235 wrote: »
    Sure does, crazy conspiracy theorists say that all the time about other things! :D:p

    It's simple economics, not a conspiracy. To drive up the price and increase profits, rice producers are sitting on their stock for some of the more popular long grain varieties.
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  • Strong Bad
    Strong Bad Posts: 4,278
    edited May 2008
    I belong to BJ's Warehouse. Everytime I go there I see plenty of rice with no limit on how many you can buy. Sounds like a BS reason to increase prices drastically.
    No excuses!
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited May 2008
    Farmers are switching from all other forms of vegitation to corn wherever they can. Soy Beans are also taking a huge hit. The braniacs on both sides that decided to start fueling our vehicles with our biggest food source need to be taken out back and shot in the head. It isn't harsh, they are killing more people with their stupid legislation than any amount of pollution ever has.
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited May 2008
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Farmers are switching from all other forms of vegitation to corn wherever they can. Soy Beans are also taking a huge hit. The braniacs on both sides that decided to start fueling our vehicles with our biggest food source need to be taken out back and shot in the head. It isn't harsh, they are killing more people with their stupid legislation than any amount of pollution ever has.

    Stupid politicians + global warming + US economy in the toilet + high gas prices + rice shortage + no babe thread = "We're Fukkd!"
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  • rhulett
    rhulett Posts: 89
    edited May 2008
    Coming from agriculture, corn ethanol has nothing to do with the rice shortage. They are grown in two completely different environments. China and India are moving away from a rice diet to a protein diet anyways. That is why we are paying more for our food now. That doesn't help the current rice shortage, or the people who are suffering from it, but it is weather related, not ethanol related.
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited May 2008
    If you guys need rice, shoot me a PM, I have more than I know what to do with it out here in Japan.
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited May 2008
    rhulett wrote: »
    Coming from agriculture, corn ethanol has nothing to do with the rice shortage. They are grown in two completely different environments. China and India are moving away from a rice diet to a protein diet anyways. That is why we are paying more for our food now. That doesn't help the current rice shortage, or the people who are suffering from it, but it is weather related, not ethanol related.
    Rob

    It absolutely is ethanol related. Rice and corn are both major food sources of 3rd world countries (and the rest of the world for that matter - corn is in friggin everything). When the demand is high on one and taken out of the mouths of the consumer the demand raises on another product (e.g. rice). I never said that rice was farmed where corn was. I said farmers are switching their crops to make corn, creating shortages of other vital food sources such as rice, soy beans, and so on.

    Also, forgive me, but the last people I am going to listen to on this issue are the people who are benefiting from it -- subsidized farmers.

    We love to scream about big oil. How about Big Corn - subsidized by the government - Archer Daniels Midland, anyone? That ain't ole farmer Joe humpin' it in the wheat fields at 5 AM.

    *VOMIT*
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  • schwarcw
    schwarcw Posts: 7,341
    edited May 2008
    According to NYT and analyst reports on MSNBC, then is just an inventory problem compounded by some bad weather and oportunistic speculators who are driving up futures to make some fast coin. Bottom line is the rice production is much greater than consumption. Stop eating it for a couple of months, prices will come around.\

    Corn and ethanol, that's another issue in the US market.

    Now, back to my pie. SONA!!!:D Get back in the kitchen!! Then, iron my shirt!
    Carl

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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited May 2008
    Airplay355 wrote: »
    Aliens are stealing all the rice!

    Damn Mexicans!
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited May 2008
    schwarcw wrote: »
    According to NYT and analyst reports on MSNBC, then is just an inventory problem compounded by some bad weather and oportunistic speculators who are driving up futures to make some fast coin. Bottom line is the rice production is much greater than consumption. Stop eating it for a couple of months, prices will come around.\

    Corn and ethanol, that's another issue in the US market.

    Now, back to my pie. SONA!!!:D Get back in the kitchen!! Then, iron my shirt!

    lol, sorry, but...l o frickin' l.

    Are you surprised the environmentalist supporters say it has nothing to do with their moronic ethanol BS?
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited May 2008
    Nothing wrong with Big Corn or Big Agriculture. I'll LMAO if it becomes financially viable to bulldoze down a housing development to put the land back in crop production. Don't get worried it won't happen :(

    I'm perfectly fine with your corn flakes costing $10 a box if I can pay off my farm several years early. The ethanol thingy is f$cked up, but at least for once I'm on the right side of a f$cked up situation :)
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited May 2008
    Don't even know where to begin with that one....
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  • tonyb
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    edited May 2008
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Don't even know where to begin with that one....

    Oh.....I think you do.
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited May 2008
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Don't even know where to begin with that one....

    Demi - take my comments as half sarcastic, but ........ it's really nice after years of struggle and having to have a full time job to support myself because I needed to put everything back into the farm to get it paid off, to be able to pay down large amounts of principle due to the current high corn and soybean prices.

    I agree with you that the more holistic agriculture/ethanol/alternative fuel situation is f'd up.
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  • rhulett
    rhulett Posts: 89
    edited May 2008
    Demiurge wrote: »
    It absolutely is ethanol related. Rice and corn are both major food sources of 3rd world countries (and the rest of the world for that matter - corn is in friggin everything). When the demand is high on one and taken out of the mouths of the consumer the demand raises on another product (e.g. rice). I never said that rice was farmed where corn was. I said farmers are switching their crops to make corn, creating shortages of other vital food sources such as rice, soy beans, and so on.

    Also, forgive me, but the last people I am going to listen to on this issue are the people who are benefiting from it -- subsidized farmers.

    We love to scream about big oil. How about Big Corn - subsidized by the government - Archer Daniels Midland, anyone? That ain't ole farmer Joe humpin' it in the wheat fields at 5 AM.

    *VOMIT*

    Gee, a guy posts his opinion, or rather states the facts, and you throw up. It's no wonder there is so much feuding around here.

    For one, I do not directly benefit from ethanol. I sell farm production products.

    Point two: Corn for Ethanol only accounts for about 3% of total corn production, not enough to raise the price of corn.

    Point three: With the higher grain prices, there is no need for subsidies at the farm level. Ethanol may be subsidized, but that is to get the infrastrure in place.

    Due to the high price of crop inputs, there is actually a decrease in corn acres planted this spring, with soybeans picking up most of those acres. Cotton, sugarbeets, and dry beans are the ones hurting due to be switched over to higher profit crops.

    An acre of rice is just that, an acre of rice. It is produced on ground that can only grow a crop under water, and unless there is extreme circumstances, will not be converted to other crops. Also, if the climate supports rice production, it is a very poor environement for corn.

    So why is ethanol raising the price of rice? It isn't.
    I do agree that ethanol is not the end all to the oil crisis, but it at least helps are depency on foreign oil, which is a good thing.
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited May 2008
    You need to get your facts straight. In 2006, 20% of our 80 million acres of corn in the United States is now being converted to ethanol. Corn prices also went up 80% the same year. This has caused our food prices to skyrocket as well. Corn, in it's various forms is in everything. Things are even worse now.

    You also know what fuel mandates are, right?

    Taking fuel for our bodies and putting it into our gas tank is unquestionably, 100% stupid.
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  • rhulett
    rhulett Posts: 89
    edited May 2008
    I thought we were talking about how ethanol has caused the rice shortage? Ethanol has caused the price of corn to go up slightly. China and India moving away from a rice diet to a protein diet, has caused corn to increase greatly. That is why you are paying more for your food, not because of ethanol.
    For the record, estimates are for somewhere between 3 and 15% of the US corn to go towards ethanol production. Most new construction of ethanol plants have been stopped or slowed, because at nearly $6 per bushel, it's not a profitable option.

    Switchgrass will be the eventual choice, easier to grow, easier to maintain, doesn't need as much water and fertilizer. Biofuels will be, at least in part, the future fuel source.
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