Bi-wiring Polk Lsi9s

Norm Apter
Norm Apter Posts: 1,036
edited April 2008 in Speakers
I am very aware of the extensive arguments between those who feel that bi-wiring makes a difference and those who insist its snake oil.

But I want to be more specific. I want to ask in particular owners/users of Polk Lsi9s who have at least tried it (rather than dismiss it out of hand) to share their experiences, whether positive or no difference (just trying to get a concensus here). My very simple music-listening system:

Yamaha RX-797 2.1 A/V Receiver
Marantz CD-5001 CD player
Polk Audio Lsi9s (one pair)

If anyone has had any positive experience, I'd be interested to know how you did it. My receiver not H-T receiver, it only has binding posts for two pair of speakers. If I were to bi-wire, should I have the two sets of speaker cables all going to A. That is two sets in each binding post or should I use both A & B.
2 Ch.
Parasound Halo A23 Amp
Parasound Halo P3 Preamp
Parasound Halo T3 Tuner
Bada HD22SE tube CD Player
Magnum Dynalab Signal Sleuth
Magnum Dynalab ST-2 antenna
polkaudio Lsi9s (upgraded cross-overs)
MIT Shotgun S-3 Bi-wire Interface Speaker Cables
MIT Shotgun S-3 Interconnects (3)
IegO L70530 Power cords (3)

HT
Denon 2808ci AVR
polkaudio RTi A5s (fronts)
polkaudio RTi A1s (rears)
polkaudio Csi A6 (center)
Signal Cable Ultra Speaker Cables
Signal Cable Analog II Interconnects
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Comments

  • Gaara
    Gaara Posts: 2,415
    edited April 2008
    I tried it and didn't notice a difference with my 9s. At the time I was using a Pioneer Elite DV-47ai dvd player, B&K Ref 50 Pre, and Parasound Halo A23 amp. The speaker wire was Canare Starquad, I tried using it regularly and then bi-wired with no perceivable difference.
  • maximillian
    maximillian Posts: 2,144
    edited April 2008
    What gauge speaker wire are you using? How long is it? If anything, if it's a long distance (over 10 ft) then I would imagine bi-wiring would help simply because there is less loss in the speaker cable.
  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,238
    edited April 2008
    Just thinking out loud here........though I have had little [if any] to no improvement to bi-wiring, in this case wouldn't he get a better sound just because he is utilizing the entire amp instead of half of it? So if this is the case, it wouldn't be the bi-wire that would offer the improvement....it would be the utilization of both amp sections, no?

    My apologies to the OP, I haven't tried to bi-wire the 9's myself.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
  • mightymouse
    mightymouse Posts: 254
    edited April 2008
    You can try to bi-amp, that may improve the sound.
  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,238
    edited April 2008
    Bi-amping will definitely improve the sound without a doubt.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited April 2008
    It very well may because you would be biamping, not biwiring, thus more power. I have always biamped my speakers when I've had the chance and always liked it.
  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,238
    edited April 2008
    The reason I question myself is that I recall having one or two amps that when you used speaker(s) A and B the sound actually got worse when I "bi-wired". It's been too long to recall what amps I was using at the time unfortunately and I'm sure it has a lot to do with how the amps were engineered.

    It might just depend on the amp. IIRCC I tried the same thing on my old man's amp [Onkyo] and had positive results. This was 20 years ago and my memory ain't what it used to be. ;)
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited April 2008
    Last time I did it with a 90's Denon receiver, it improved the sound, but I can see what you're saying treitz, some receivers may not like that combo.
  • G-2
    G-2 Posts: 533
    edited April 2008
    Our 9's are not bi-wired (single on amp end, 2 split into 4 on the speaker end) nor have we ever tried it because the majority of that speaker run is in the attic (our 9's are in the back, FX's on the side) we have our 15's, which are upfront bi-wired and there is a significant difference in the sound, of course that's using the Rotel-RB1090 (700wpc @ 4ohms) for the 15's and only the 15's, the earthquake has more than enough power (600 wpc @ 4ohms) to bi-wire the Center, the FX's and 9's, we just don't have the wiring for it and as they are (single wired using the jumpers) the entire system simply sounds outstanding!
    Home Theater
    Chane
    A3rx-c's, A2rc-c, A1rx-c's|Miller & Kreisel V-125's|Sony XBR65X810C 65" 4K LED TV|
    Earthquake Cinenova Grande-5|Pioneer Elite - VSX-84TXSi-AVR|TRIPPLITE LCR2400|
    Ultrasonic Amp Stand|Blue Jeans,Audioquest,Monster Cables|

    2 - Channel
    Polk
    RTA 12c's w/RDO194 TWEETS, clarity ESA caps mills resistors (full mod)|Turntable|
    Anthem MCA 2|Acurus Act 3 Pre Pro|Parasound P/Ph 100|Pioneer Elite N-30|Adcom GDA600|
    Premier Rack|Blue Jeans,Audioquest,Monster Cables|
  • Norm Apter
    Norm Apter Posts: 1,036
    edited April 2008
    Thanks for the responses so far. By the way, one person asked what gauge wire I'm using and the distance of the run. My speaker wire is 14-gauge and yes, the run is longer than 10 feet (about 18 feet due to the awkward shape of my bedroom, where my system is place).

    I see that a few people have mentioned bi-amping. Right now, I only have one amp 9receiver). Actually, I'm going to start a separate thread seeking advice on either bi-amping or adding a subwoofer. Please stay tuned! And thanks to all of those who have contributed thus far.
    2 Ch.
    Parasound Halo A23 Amp
    Parasound Halo P3 Preamp
    Parasound Halo T3 Tuner
    Bada HD22SE tube CD Player
    Magnum Dynalab Signal Sleuth
    Magnum Dynalab ST-2 antenna
    polkaudio Lsi9s (upgraded cross-overs)
    MIT Shotgun S-3 Bi-wire Interface Speaker Cables
    MIT Shotgun S-3 Interconnects (3)
    IegO L70530 Power cords (3)

    HT
    Denon 2808ci AVR
    polkaudio RTi A5s (fronts)
    polkaudio RTi A1s (rears)
    polkaudio Csi A6 (center)
    Signal Cable Ultra Speaker Cables
    Signal Cable Analog II Interconnects
  • G-2
    G-2 Posts: 533
    edited April 2008
    Might also want to ask folks thoughts on adding an amp to those 9's
    Home Theater
    Chane
    A3rx-c's, A2rc-c, A1rx-c's|Miller & Kreisel V-125's|Sony XBR65X810C 65" 4K LED TV|
    Earthquake Cinenova Grande-5|Pioneer Elite - VSX-84TXSi-AVR|TRIPPLITE LCR2400|
    Ultrasonic Amp Stand|Blue Jeans,Audioquest,Monster Cables|

    2 - Channel
    Polk
    RTA 12c's w/RDO194 TWEETS, clarity ESA caps mills resistors (full mod)|Turntable|
    Anthem MCA 2|Acurus Act 3 Pre Pro|Parasound P/Ph 100|Pioneer Elite N-30|Adcom GDA600|
    Premier Rack|Blue Jeans,Audioquest,Monster Cables|
  • john22614
    john22614 Posts: 214
    edited April 2008
    I bi-wired my nines using 14 gauge blue jeans cable and honestly didn't notice any improvement over some older 12 gauge monster cable. But, I left it bi-wired because the cable was new and certainly didn't degrade the sound.
    B&W 804s mains
    B&W HTM4 center
    Polk PSW 1000 sub
    Outlaw 990 Pre Amp
    Anthem MCA 30 Amp
    Monitor Radius 180 surrounds
    Audiosource Stereo Amp for surrounds
    Denon 2910 Universal DVD/SACD Player
    Comcast DVR
    Pioneer Elite 42" Plasma 940 HD
    Harmony Universal Remote
    Blue Jeans interconnects and biwires
    Itunes Air Express