Not enough bass from my RTi10s

1lakerfan

I have the rti10s hooked up to a denon 2807 reciever. I am not getting enough bass from them (escpecially for being floor standing). for some reason the polk rm300 (the lowest priced floor standing speakers that polk offers) is getting more bass then my RTi10s. I heard that maybe I need more power but the RM300 that I heard was from a cheaper reciever and had more bass. any ideas what the problem could be?

RuSsMaN

The Denon should have enough power and headroom for the 10's to sound good. Do you have any filtering engaged on the main (front l/r) speakers? Make sure they are set to large.

BeRad

My guess would be you could use an external amp. (not knowing the receiver that is.)
I could be wrong but I am under the impression that a seperate amp will always give you more than you can get out of a receiver. I could be wrong as I am a NEWB!

I know I got much better sound out of my 8's by adding an amp.

danger boy

i think you need to set them to large with a crossover of about 80 or 60

are you running a subwoofer too? if not, make sure it's off in the menu.

Ron Temple

RuSsMaN wrote: »

The Denon should have enough power and headroom for the 10's to sound good. Do you have any filtering engaged on the main (front l/r) speakers? Make sure they are set to large.

I agree, there should be nothing but ownige with the 10s vs 300s. Try a manual calibration after Audessey.

venomclan

Move them closer to the rear wall.

1lakerfan

I also know someone that has mts speakers. I think these are them cause they are 400 watts http://www.mtsspeakers.com/MTS_2328.asp

I heard them on a reciever that was in $300 home theatre in a box and they had plenty of bass. So wouldnt these need even more power then my speakers?

dkg999

As noted above, doesn't seem like an amplifier power issue. I would go through the set up menu and make sure it matches what you are running. You didn't mention anything about a sub, so make sure subwoofer is set to no. Also make sure your front main speakers are set to large. Start there. Then if that is all correct, report back and I'm sure you'll get lots of help with diagnostics.

FYI - sometimes when you move from speakers with really sloppy bass response, to speakers like the RTi's with good quality quick bass response, it will sound like you have less bass. What you have is more accurate bass that is also more blended into the overall response of the speaker. Just wanted to throw this out there, not sure what your experience with speakers has been.

treitz3

I would suggest setting the amp back to factory default, not using the Audessey and see if that brings back the bass output. What may be happening is a room node that the self calibration is compensating for, exhausting all of your headroom for that one [or couple of] frequency(s). When the amp isn't trying to adjust and compensate for room abnormalities, it has the headroom back and will most likely be able to power the RTi10's properly. Try this, see if it works out for you and get back to us please.

polrbehr

I know it may sound silly, but are the jumpers connected on the 10s?

It almost seems like you're just getting sound from the upper mid-bass and tweeter, and missing both 7" bass drivers. I had my 10s originally hooked to a Denon 2106, and while the addition of a separate Adcom GFA555 added lots of punch, the Denon was certainly no slouch in the bass dept. by itself. Worth checking, IMO.

treitz3

Ahh, the basics. Good suggestion Polrbehr.

1lakerfan

polrbehr wrote: »

I know it may sound silly, but are the jumpers connected on the 10s?

It almost seems like you're just getting sound from the upper mid-bass and tweeter, and missing both 7" bass drivers. I had my 10s originally hooked to a Denon 2106, and while the addition of a separate Adcom GFA555 added lots of punch, the Denon was certainly no slouch in the bass dept. by itself. Worth checking, IMO.

What do you mean are the jumpers connected to the 10s? cause I think I am just getting sound from the upper mid bass and tweeter as you said.

treitz3

If that's the case, then we have found the issue. Do you have a gold colored funky metal plate that goes between the top and bottom binding posts? 4 of them total [2 per speaker]?

1lakerfan

yes, theyre supposed to be under the binding post right?

treitz3

Correct. Are they tightened to where contact is made? Top and bottom?

MADGSF

I think starting with the basics is the best first step.

After that maybe we should qualify with the OP what adequate bass is. I had bass from my RTI-10s running off just my AVR. However for my tastes it was lacking, I am talking speakers set as large only no sub. When I added the amp the bass became great for my tastes. If the OP is looking for bass you can feel with just a AVR I think that might not be possible.

treitz3

Oh, one more thing. Are you sure that they are both in phase?

1lakerfan

here are a couple of pics of my home theatre if that helps any

I listen to alot of hip hop/ rap so there is alot of emphasis on bass. You can see that I do have a subwoofer but I think subwoofers are more meant for movies more than music. I wanna hear the bass from my speakers for music.

danger boy

do a reset of your receiver.. that may help.. there may be some funky setting enabled.. the reset will clear it..

treitz3

WTF are the specs of this AVR? I can not find them. The bass should be more than sufficient in a small room. The issue is not with the speak's.

treitz3

The output from the RTi10's properly amped should give him what he wants.

treitz3

It's a small room.

Hawkeye

I'd try pushing them into the corners a little deeper.

I think dkg999 hit the nail on the head. As we move up the speaker food chain, the "in your chest" bass will decrease without the use of a sub. Higher end speaker crossovers will "tame" the bass and make it tighter and more defined yet not in your face. If you want that in your face bass, you might need to bring in the sub.

nm4710

I've got a pair of RTi10s filling a medium-large room. Just hooked up 125wpc amp (nothing special power-wise) and let me say...the bass is amazing. Enough that I can feel it at the end of my apt building's hallway (some 100ft down the hall..and you can guess I won't be turning it up that loud again!).

Fongolio

I have a pair of RTiA7's which are the redesigned RTi10's and with my Pioneer Elite receiver the bass is good (tight and accurate) but not pounding. I use two 10" subs to give the big bottom end. When I switch them (the Polk's) to the Carver reciever (HR-772) or the Hafler amp (DH-220) with Carver pre-amp the bass is loud and proud. Very deep and no subs required. My RTiA7's and your RTi10's will really come alive with bigger clean wattage. The Carver receiver is rated at 140 high current watts per channel and is very clean power. Your Denon is a great receiver as is my Pioneer but if you want those speakers to really sing a dedicated amp(s) is the way to go.

1lakerfan

would this amp make the bass pound?

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/7200.html

danger boy

1lakerfan wrote: »

would this amp make the bass pound?

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/7200.html

it would certainly help... what are you using as a source for music? Ipod, CD's, MP3 files from a computer? that can also determine how much bass you get.

do you have another receiver? or a friend who can bring a receiver over to your place and hook up your speaker to his and see what it sounds like?

RuSsMaN

I would play with placement.

From the picture, it looks like you could be too close to the rear wall in comparison with the side walls. You might be getting a quarter wave cancellation. Basically, your speaker is a quarter wavelength away from the reflective rear wall surface, causing the reflection to come back at a half a cycle (out of phase) and cancel out the original signal.

Assuming your receiver settings are correct, play with placement closer to, and (preferably) farther away from the rear wall.

Cheers,
Russ

jaysonbarnett

hey lakerfan i had the same issue because i have two 15 inch fosgate's in my car with 3300 watts of juice. When i go inside my house i have rti'8s and a 12 inch velodyne but i do not hear bass like i do in my car. I thought my system inside sucked but a friend came over that knows his stuff and told me that my bass is more accurate. The bass in my car is distorted. This is the kind of bass we are used to but it isnt the way it is suppossed to be. If you want car bass get an external amp and use the preouts on your receiver and then get some of these style speakers http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Yamaha-S112V-Club-Series-V-Speaker?sku=601201&src=3SOSWXXA not this brand but this style speaker. I have EV's (two 15's) when i have a party and everything falls down in my house. I turn on car alarms on my street from inside.

Fongolio

I completely agree with jaysonbarnett, I've got an all Alpine system in the car with two 12" Type R's for subs. The bass rattles my brain in my skull. In the house is something completely different. It's about clean tight controlled sound at home. In the car it's about thump and that comes at the cost of distortion. With your speakers and that Outlaw amp you will achieve very very deep controled bass unless of course you crank the hell out of it. The other question above was very good too..what is your source? I've found a decent turntable set up correctly has more clean bottom end then cd's and much more than mp3's. SACD's and DVD-Audio disks have very good range too.

1lakerfan

what is the best amp for the rti10 (1500 price range and at least 7 x 200 wpc). and i most of the music I listen to is dowloaded from the computer and saved on the ps3 hardrive