Talk about bright speakers; my maggie 1.6QR's gotta go

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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,899
    edited March 2008
    candyliquor35m wrote: »
    I've been quite happy with them until I threw in the Yes cd the other day.

    Maybe you need to chuck the Yes CD.
    2 channel - Willsenton R8 tube integrated, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5, Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC29/Fidelizer Plus 8.7 w/LPS and external SSD drive, PS Audio PerfectWave P3 regenerator, KEF R3 speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Audioquest Diamond USB cable, Gabriel Gold IC's, Morrow Audio SP5 speaker cables. Computer - Windows 10/JRiver, Schiit Magni 3+/Modi 3+, Fostex PMO.4n monitors, Sennheiser HD600 headphones
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited March 2008
    dorokusai wrote: »
    Again....you're a loudspeaker "rebel" and yet you can't find this?....it took 4.5 seconds.....with zero attenuation.

    http://www.magnepan.com/product_manuals

    much obliged.
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited March 2008
    Ok, if you aren't bright enough to obtain a manual or read any of the plethora of reviews that detail the setup of a dipole in particular and a maggie in specific....then you shouldn't be allowed to own a pair.

    Lame excuse, that's no better than the dog ate my homework.

    Do you WONDER why no one takes you seriously??

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited March 2008
    All this hostility over a modified tweeter?
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited March 2008
    Where did the modified tweeter come from? I thought this was over the setup and placement of his Magnepans?
    DKG999
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    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited March 2008
    dkg999 wrote: »
    Where did the modified tweeter come from? I thought this was over the setup and placement of his Magnepans?

    Well, it seems (to me) like the "SL2000WC" debate is carrying over to this thread. I could be wrong, that's why it really was a question. Could be just the usual roughness of Club Polk talk...
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited March 2008
    Or could be some guy with excellent speakers using them like crap. He's probably the same guy who chugs a 50 year old brandy.
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  • honda cber
    honda cber Posts: 267
    edited March 2008
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    Or could be some guy with excellent speakers using them like crap. He's probably the same guy who chugs a 50 year old brandy.
    ha... quite a way to put it. i have certainly known a handful of folks that i could say similar things about. i mean, i witnessed (and partook with disgust, lol) a genuine romeo y julieta being split open for a blunt skin. how many crimes were committed that night?

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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited March 2008
    I found the resistors last night and hope to try them today. A 1.0 ohm pair and a 1.2 pair.

    One speaker at a time tho so I can do a side by side comparison.
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited March 2008
    candyliquor35m wrote: »
    I found the resistors last night and hope to try them today. A 1.0 ohm pair and a 1.2 pair.

    One speaker at a time tho so I can do a side by side comparison.

    That would mean you would need to run mono to both speakers. Stereo means that the sound from each speaker is different, which would invalidate an apples-to-apples comparison.
    DKG999
    HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED

    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited March 2008
    somebody shoot me. this is like a med student operating on a heart before learning where all the blood goes to in the first place.
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited March 2008
    That would be the norm but when comparing tweeters I can get by with stereo since I'm mostly worried about harshness as opposed to soundstage, depth, separation, etc. And when comparing tweeters I don't listen in the middle. I walk back and forth between the speakers and listen to them one at a time.
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited March 2008
    Well then by all means go ahead with your eval! Let us know what you think after you do.
    DKG999
    HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED

    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited March 2008
    Has anyone used the resistors when you're bi-amping? The manual doesn't touch on that. Maybe for testing I won't bi-amp.
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  • Yashu
    Yashu Posts: 772
    edited March 2008
    If you think the SL2000 is ok and the maggies are bright you need your hearing checked AND your head examined.

    Hehe... Troy, I hate to agree with you, but you are right. The maggies are great speakers, and I wonder if the problem is not somewhere else in the chain, or, room modes.

    BTW, I have most of Yes's 70s work on vinyl, and I have to say, it sound great, even my CD copy of Fragile sounds smooth, so it may be a crappy digital "remastering" where they just compress things to push the dynamic range, but you end up with a bright, or more truthfully, a noisier HF band that gives the perception of bright.
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited March 2008
    I have the recent MoFi CD release of Yes-Fragile, and it sounds fantastic on my Magnepan 1.6's. I also have the Yes boxed CD set from years ago and it sounds fantastic also.

    Too many variables in the chain of components and room to offer quick fixes. Buy a set of monkey-coffins and be happy!
    DKG999
    HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED

    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited March 2008
    Um....NOT a guru, but these speakers are, IMHO, 'Sweet spot only' speakers.
    If you don't have them set up correctly, and are in the right spot, they're gonna sound 'out of balance'.
    By out of balance I mean the highs, mids, lows. Not L/R.
    And all the resistors in the world ain't gonna help.
    If you're looking for 'walk around speakers', these ain't them.
    I refuse to argue with idiots, because people can't tell the DIFFERENCE!
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited March 2008
    obieone wrote: »
    Um....NOT a guru, but these speakers are, IMHO, 'Sweet spot only' speakers.
    If you don't have them set up correctly, and are in the right spot, they're gonna sound 'out of balance'.
    And all the resistors in the world ain't gonna help.
    If you're looking for 'walk around speakers', these ain't them.

    Have you owned them? Mine are not in the best placement at all currently, and they have a very wide sweet spot. I have found most of the comments on narrow sweet spot to be not based upon experience. Every speaker in every room has that one "golden" spot. My Magnepans are very listenable over a wide range of listening positions. The key with Magnepans is to give them some breathing room around them.
    DKG999
    HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED

    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited March 2008
    No, I haven't owned them, but just from the 20-30 minutes of listening to them, and getting up from the spot I was sitting in, I lost something in the sound-don't remember which. I wasn't trashing the speakers, just trying to aleviate some frustraion IF he's expecting different results from these type of speakers.
    I refuse to argue with idiots, because people can't tell the DIFFERENCE!
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited March 2008
    Preliminary results: high fives to everyone and beers for everyone on me at the new hooters in katy.

    The 1.2 resistors weren't strong enough but the 2.0's seem to be a good compromise so now I can listen to a little rock now.

    The sacd I just got from stubby is nice and warm sounding with no hint of brightness.

    Yes: Extended Versions was edgy but not bright but that's r&r for ya.

    Thanks to everyone for the constructive comments.

    Those that made derogatory comments will have to solve your own personal problems.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited March 2008
    You need to have your hearing checked.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited March 2008
    One thing . . . every speaker has a sweet spot . . . PERIOD! You can't change the laws of physics. In the center is the only place to listen critically. Anything you hear about wider sweet spot is crap. Unless you can make water into wine, the only place your 2 channel system will ever sound best is at the point of a triangle equidistant to the speakers.
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  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,601
    edited March 2008
    :DOutstanding. Candyliquor got help, improved his setup.
    Although there were some harsh words, no one lost it and got banned.

    Bad news, no one got a great deal on 1.6's.

    Oh well. Enjoy your Maggies. :D
    "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited March 2008
    Thanks. They sound like speakers I've never heard before. I'll be listening to quite a few cds in the next few days to see how they sound on my new speakers :)
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited March 2008
    Why don't you try sticking the caps or resistor in your ear (one at a time of course) that way no matter what speaker you listen to it won't be bright and harsh. :rolleyes:

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited March 2008
    hmmm I wonder why magnepan includes resistors with their speakers. Maybe because this is how ppl have been fine tuning their speakers to their own personal taste for decades.

    And it's being done in place of the jumper on the back of the speaker instead of at the x-over.

    Those idiots at magnepan are some crazy mofos for sure.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited March 2008
    No **** Sherlock! What have been we telling you all this time? You use resistors for high frequency tuning, not caps. Duh!
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited March 2008
    SDA's are not maggies. Your comments mean nothing until you try the caps.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited March 2008
    You're a moron. I don't have to try it to know what it's doing. It's not rocket science, it's basic speaker design.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited March 2008
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    http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=500-035
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