DSW 600 hit 20hz?

Unearthed
Unearthed Posts: 4
edited March 2008 in Subwoofer Hookup & Bass Management
So I know forums hate post count "1" questions but I'm curious and you guys are the experts!

Will the DSW Pro 600 hit 20hz with authority? I can buy the Polk for a good price and was previously going to buy the Hsu VTF2.3. Has anyone seen any test graphs for the 600 yet? I'm just trying to get an idea what kind of low output it has.

Thanks for any info!
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited March 2008
    No, it's not tuned that low.
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  • Unearthed
    Unearthed Posts: 4
    edited March 2008
    Does the Polk offer anything the Hsu doesn't? What are the Polk's strengths?
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited March 2008
    Unearthed wrote: »
    Does the Polk offer anything the Hsu doesn't? What are the Polk's strengths?
    You can hear it before you purchase it...

    You can occasionaly "buy the Polk for a good price" due to its retail presence and the benefits (and flaws) inherent in that style of distribution.
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    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited March 2008
    Short answer, no. For more details, we just ran a comparison with dual DSW600's and SVS PCU, and here's some of my observations: http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showpost.php?p=823755&postcount=52
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  • Unearthed
    Unearthed Posts: 4
    edited March 2008
    Fair enough. I was sort of hoping they came out with something really cool as I have always been a Polk fan. For $499 I don't think that Hsu can be beat although I have been looking at the SVS offerings at the $599 level. Thanks for the info!
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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited March 2008
    16-46PCi hits low and loud, and has pretty good total output as well. Even the 25-31 goes pretty low, and you could ask the SVS guys to tune it down to 22Hz.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited March 2008
    Unearthed wrote: »
    Fair enough. I was sort of hoping they came out with something really cool as I have always been a Polk fan. For $499 I don't think that Hsu can be beat although I have been looking at the SVS offerings at the $599 level. Thanks for the info!

    HSU isn't the last word in 20hz capable subwoofers, far from it. Unfortunately, Polk isn't one of them at this time.

    I'd take SVS over HSU anyday.
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  • speakergeek
    speakergeek Posts: 555
    edited March 2008
    dorokusai wrote: »
    I'd take SVS over HSU anyday.

    Me too! :D
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  • Unearthed
    Unearthed Posts: 4
    edited March 2008
    Sami wrote: »
    16-46PCi hits low and loud, and has pretty good total output as well. Even the 25-31 goes pretty low, and you could ask the SVS guys to tune it down to 22Hz.

    Well they make a 20-39 so that's pretty much the best of both worlds :D
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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited March 2008
    Unearthed wrote: »
    Well they make a 20-39 so that's pretty much the best of both worlds :D

    It depends on what you want. I personally would go with the 16-46. :)
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited March 2008
    If you had 600's rolling off at 35 - 40 hz, that's just nuts. It's 3db down in the chamber at 25Hz, and will easily load down to the low, low 20's in the average listening room.
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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited March 2008
    I'll tell you that our test wasn't very scientific, not really time for that, so it's just an observation based on the quick calibration we did with a subwoofer sweep tone. I have a large room with the back opened to staircase and two bedrooms. We had the SPL meter at listening position of course, not at 1m. At 80Hz they (600's) were at ~75dBm, pretty much a good flattish line down to 40-45dBm and then a quick drop, at 30Hz it was down more than 10dB and at 20Hz there was nothing, no audible sound at all.

    We didn't try a single, but I doubt the duals stacked would have that much cancellation at low end although it certainly is possible. If the phase would have been totally out of sync, we wouldn't have had such a good results (both calibration and movies) at higher fr's.
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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited March 2008
    There's also this "window" that is open to downstairs, and on the opposite site is staircase so it's a very large room for a subwoofer to work in:

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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited March 2008
    Sounds like a placement issue.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited March 2008
    Face wrote: »
    Sounds like a placement issue.

    Very possible. We weren't interested in making a subwoofer review, just a quick shootout between the Polk's and an SVS. The 2ch guys downstairs were already complaining about the noise bothering their music listening. :D

    The SVS was tuned down to 16Hz and had no problem hitting very hard at low fr's, otherwise it was a pretty even matchup. I'm sure if you have a smaller sealed room you will have much better output down low with the Polk's but if you want hard hitting sub at 20Hz I think I would look for something that's designed for HT and music in mind, I think the Polk is primarily a musical sub that does a very good job with HT. With most movies you won't notice the lack of low notes anyways.
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  • phuz
    phuz Posts: 2,372
    edited March 2008
    Unearthed wrote: »
    Does the Polk offer anything the Hsu doesn't? What are the Polk's strengths?


    Sound quality.
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  • DeusExa
    DeusExa Posts: 491
    edited March 2008
    phuz wrote: »
    Sound quality.



    really??
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited March 2008
    :rolleyes: No, he's lying.
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • J_Kennedy
    J_Kennedy Posts: 137
    edited March 2008
    Well, I'm biased, but HSU gets my vote. Of course, it's sitting in the next room. :D
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited March 2008
    Subwoofers can be dangerous when you talk bad about them.
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  • mightymouse
    mightymouse Posts: 254
    edited March 2008
    Which one is better? PSW1000 or the DSW600?
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  • mightymouse
    mightymouse Posts: 254
    edited March 2008
    DSW is the newer series right? Newer than the PSW1000?
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited March 2008
    Correct. I would not own a PSW1000.
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