CRS+ Review
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If you can't remember what your speakers sounded like, ones that you are presumably familiar with.....well, I can't help you there.
BDTI plan for the future. - F1Nut -
candyliquor35m wrote: »I could care less if I'm testing in stereo or mono. It's close enough and 10 times better than listening to stock speakers and than a month later trying to remember what you think you heard and comparing it with what you're now hearing with the upgraded speakers.
I'll take my as close to a scientific a/b test as possible to any other suggestions I've heard (nothing).
An unparalleled achievement in the absurd has been reached. Congrats Carl.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Your comments are meaningless until you try it or suggest a more scientific approach. Relying on our memory from an hour before or a month before has zero scientific credibility.
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I'll remember the piercing sound of SL2000's for the rest of my life."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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That's where you are dead wrong. Auditory memory, for most people, is excellent. It would appear that you're not one of them.
As for your idea, why don't you try comparing one left channel of the Magico Ultimate to the right channel of your Polk's, which is basically the same thing you are suggesting with a stock Polk speaker vs a modded one. You'll never get a true represention of either speaker system no matter how hard you try. The fact that you think you can speaks volumes as to your complete lack of understanding on the matter.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Does anyone have a unmodded pair of CRS+ in the Seattle area so we can try to end this debate?
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Can I come check those out after you're done?
GeoffPolk SDA SRS 2
Polk RTA 15tl
Polk Monitor 7C
Polk Lsi9
Infinity RS-II (modded)
Infinity RS-IIIa (modded)
Infinity RS 2.5 x 2
Magnepan 1.6QR (modded)
System: http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?vevol&1290711373 -
That's where you are dead wrong. Auditory memory, for most people, is excellent. It would appear that you're not one of them.
As for your idea, why don't you try comparing one left channel of the Magico Ultimate to the right channel of your Polk's, which is basically the same thing you are suggesting with a stock Polk speaker vs a modded one. You'll never get a true represention of either speaker system no matter how hard you try. The fact that you think you can speaks volumes as to your complete lack of understanding on the matter.
I appreciate your opinion but I have the direct opposite opinion and that will never change so you're wasting your breath.
Don't get me wrong I think any review is better than no review but reviews that don't have any a/b testing, I take with a grain of salt.
I trust Raife's reviews and I hope they continue as well as everyone else's but I will continue doing my a/b testing whenever I'm trying to choose option a vs option b. -
I'm not trying to change your mind, rather I'm showing others how crazy your ideas are.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
that makes sense then because all I'm hearing is jibberish from you, just like the presidential candidates.
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:DYour auditory memory must be great if you can Still recognize F1's jibberish!:D
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WOW... with all the seat time I have infront of my CRS's, I could fire them up after a year and be able to tell a difference as major as a crossover upgrade. I have A/B'd speakers for years to listen to quality differences, but I can't even imagine listening to a different left & right at the same time.... especially were the SDA effect is involved.
To each his own i guess...SDA SRS 2.3 -
candyliquor35m wrote: »that makes sense then because all I'm hearing is jibberish from you, just like the presidential candidates.
Have you read anything from anybody here that supports your idea? Go ahead, post a poll asking which one of us is speaking jibberish.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
WOW... with all the seat time I have infront of my CRS's, I could fire them up after a year and be able to tell a difference as major as a crossover upgrade. I have A/B'd speakers for years to listen to quality differences, but I can't even imagine listening to a different left & right at the same time.... especially were the SDA effect is involved.
To each his own i guess...
It's not as awkward as it sounds. Do you still have a sl2000 you could put back in your left or right crs? -
Have you read anything from anybody here that supports your idea? Go ahead, post a poll asking which one of us is speaking jibberish.
I'm just throwing an idea out there and not trying to convince anyone because I know they are smart enough to make their own decisions but I will defend it if someone tries to discount it without ever trying it. -
candyliquor35m wrote: »It's not as awkward as it sounds. Do you still have a sl2000 you could put back in your left or right crs?
No, sorry, after the upgrade I gave the SL-2000 to another polkie.SDA SRS 2.3 -
candyliquor35m wrote: »Your comments are meaningless until you try it or suggest a more scientific approach. Relying on our memory from an hour before or a month before has zero scientific credibility.
Carl,
I honestly wouldn't even want to try to listen to the configuration you are suggesting . . . you speak of scientific credibility . . . C'mon man stereo configuration, different right and left speakers
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candyliquor35m wrote: »I'm just throwing an idea out there and not trying to convince anyone because I know they are smart enough to make their own decisions but I will defend it if someone tries to discount it without ever trying it.
My last post on this matter.......why do you keep thinking that I haven't tried this or countless other things you haven't even dreamed up yet? I'm not in the habit of talking out of the side of my mouth, something you should know by now.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
When I did the X-overs in my monitor 10's, I did one first and briefly listened to one modified and one stock. The difference was so noticeable I updated the remaining speaker a few days later. It was mainly a big difference in dynamics/attack; way more difference than I had expected.
The imaging/soundstage pretty much sucks with mis-matched speakers, so I can only deal with that for a day or two before finishing the upgade on the remaining speaker.
I also tried the same thing with my SDA-1c's, but the A/B L/R comparison was more subtle, possibly due to the SDA connection.
My other issue is that my preamp balance only does +/- 6 db change at the full L/R extreme, so I am always hearing some info from the opposite speaker when attempting to do L/R comparisons. -
When I did the X-overs in my monitor 10's, I did one first and briefly listened to one modified and one stock. The difference was so noticeable I updated the remaining speaker a few days later. It was mainly a big difference in dynamics/attack; way more difference than I had expected.
The imaging/soundstage pretty much sucks with mis-matched speakers, so I can only deal with that for a day or two before finishing the upgade on the remaining speaker.
I also tried the same thing with my SDA-1c's, but the A/B L/R comparison was more subtle, possibly due to the SDA connection.
My other issue is that my preamp balance only does +/- 6 db change at the full L/R extreme, so I am always hearing some info from the opposite speaker when attempting to do L/R comparisons.
Amen. Very impressive. Someone tried this on their own because of their ability to think outside the box. Result: a. one big difference, b. only a subtle difference. -
When I did the X-overs in my monitor 10's, I did one first and briefly listened to one modified and one stock. The difference was so noticeable I updated the remaining speaker a few days later. It was mainly a big difference in dynamics/attack; way more difference than I had expected.
The imaging/soundstage pretty much sucks with mis-matched speakers, so I can only deal with that for a day or two before finishing the upgade on the remaining speaker.
I also tried the same thing with my SDA-1c's, but the A/B L/R comparison was more subtle, possibly due to the SDA connection.
My other issue is that my preamp balance only does +/- 6 db change at the full L/R extreme, so I am always hearing some info from the opposite speaker when attempting to do L/R comparisons.
Thank you for your input Boywonder. And this is a thread-jack if I've ever seen one.
But carry on friends, it's a fun one to watch...
Geoff, let me finish the upgrade and then get them burned in; I've heard 100-200 hours. After that, and when I feel they are set-up well, feel free to come on over and give them a listen. -
Congrats on the CRS's Zingo, have fun with the upgrade. I just finished putting Sonicaps in my 2A's this morning and they sound great! How do you like the CRS's compared to your 2A's?"The secret of happiness is freedom. The secret of freedom is courage." Thucydides
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When I did the X-overs in my monitor 10's, I did one first and briefly listened to one modified and one stock. The difference was so noticeable I updated the remaining speaker a few days later. It was mainly a big difference in dynamics/attack; way more difference than I had expected.
The imaging/soundstage pretty much sucks with mis-matched speakers, so I can only deal with that for a day or two before finishing the upgade on the remaining speaker.
I also tried the same thing with my SDA-1c's, but the A/B L/R comparison was more subtle, possibly due to the SDA connection.
My other issue is that my preamp balance only does +/- 6 db change at the full L/R extreme, so I am always hearing some info from the opposite speaker when attempting to do L/R comparisons.
Based on what you remember on the 1c's, was the $ you spent on the upgrade worth the subtle improvements in sound? -
candyliquor35m wrote: »Based on what you remember on the 1c's, was the $ you spent on the upgrade worth the subtle improvements in sound?
Not to continue the thread-jack...but, yes absolutely worth it. New RD-0 tweeters were worth it also. I am finally peeking into the world of hi-fi from the world of mid-fi. -
The 2As have a lot more bass, and go deeper. They have a very warm and full sound. The CRS+ are a pretty detailed speaker with a huge sound stage. I think the 2As are a little easier to listen to and set-up, but the CRS+ cannot be beat with the right set-up and a little getting used to what they are; Amazing speakers though.
