best fullrange 2 channel speakers under $2,000

carversound
carversound Posts: 44
edited March 2008 in 2 Channel Audio
what are the best sounding new speakers under $2000 and do not need a sub? Running-- amps (2) 1.5ts bi-amped/ tuner carver-tx-2/ pre- carver c-2/cd -carver tl-3200 and denon/cassette -sony es/
room 17' by 15'
music- from progressive jazz to metal (ALL MUSIC)
2 channel system--looking at lsi15/rtia9/Paradigm 11/cerwin vaga 215
Like it to sound like my carver amazings
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited March 2008
    Similar questions/discussion starters would be:

    What's the best pickup truck?

    Who makes the best shotgun?

    What musical group is the all-time best?

    Could you give us a little more info on what type of music you listen to, source components, what type of sound stage and presentation you prefer, listening room description, etc?
    DKG999
    HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED

    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited March 2008
    I prefer the sound of Vintage Tannoy 15" woofers in a well built cabinet and rebuilt crossover. But as mentioned above, to each their own.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited March 2008
    Bose cubes, and last time I checked, two of them cost about $2K.

    The LSi15 is no slouch and beloved by many.
    Jake
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited March 2008
    Magnepan 1.6's, although they won't have the bass of the Amazings. You might look at used Innersound electostatics, or used Martin Logan electrostatics. A used set of good condition Dahlquist DQ-10's might also be in the ball park. Lot's of good choices in the price range you are looking at. Do some travelling and get your listen on.
    DKG999
    HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED

    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,899
    edited March 2008
    dkg999 wrote: »
    Similar questions/discussion starters would be:

    What's the best pickup truck?

    Who makes the best shotgun?

    What musical group is the all-time best?

    Could you give us a little more info on what type of music you listen to, source components, what type of sound stage and presentation you prefer, listening room description, etc?

    BTW, who does make the best shotgun anyway? :confused:
    2 channel - Willsenton R8 tube integrated, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5, Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC29/Fidelizer Plus 8.7 w/LPS and external SSD drive, PS Audio PerfectWave P3 regenerator, KEF R3 speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Audioquest Diamond USB cable, Gabriel Gold IC's, Morrow Audio SP5 speaker cables. Computer - Windows 10/JRiver, Schiit Magni 3+/Modi 3+, Fostex PMO.4n monitors, Sennheiser HD600 headphones
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited March 2008
    dragon1952 wrote: »
    BTW, who does make the best shotgun anyway? :confused:
    MIT. :)
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • carversound
    carversound Posts: 44
    edited March 2008
    Any thoughts on these
    http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?spkrfull&1208447255
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited March 2008
    I'm assuming you're close enough to go look at them, listen with your music, and pick them up. A day at Saturday Audio Exchange can be very insightful. Good people and some neat gear.
    DKG999
    HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED

    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • furball
    furball Posts: 234
    edited March 2008
    Well, since this is a Polk forum. Give the LSi15's a try. They are right there in your price range.
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  • engtaz
    engtaz Posts: 7,663
    edited March 2008
    What about Amazings?

    engtaz
    engtaz

    I love how music can brighten up a bad day.
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  • amulford
    amulford Posts: 5,020
    edited March 2008
    What's wrong with your Amazings?
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,967
    edited March 2008
    The best is always subjective,pretty hard to beat those Amazings in the bass dept.I am still diggin' my Legacy Focus 20/20,seen them going in the 2-3 grand range on the 'gon.Bass is exceptional and sound good with any type of music you throw at it.
    HT SYSTEM-
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    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
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    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

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    Sonos zp90
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited March 2008
    You own a pair of Carver Amazings, and are considering an upgrade to Cerwin-Vega?

    You may want to come back armed with a little more info than you've already got under your belt.
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  • amulford
    amulford Posts: 5,020
    edited March 2008
    That's what I'm sayin'...
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  • skipf
    skipf Posts: 694
    edited March 2008
    If you have ALS Platinums that are in good shape, IMHO you already have the best full range speaker under $2000. Let me know if you find anything better. I'm betting you won't.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited March 2008
    Heck,, I've got Teds old pair of Amazings,and they ain't going anywhere unless it's for a pair of plats,I'm sure that there is something out there, but for 2k,,I dunno.:)
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • carversound
    carversound Posts: 44
    edited March 2008
    george grand
    I'm looking for garage speakers, the amazings are my living room speakers. I'm trying to find some other speakers in case I cant find another pair of amazings (local) I would like to stay in Il. No road trip! (The cerwin vagas 215s where rated best budget speaker of the year.)
    http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/cerwinvega_cls215.htm
    I know they dont compare to the amazings not many do! unless you spend 5x
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  • amulford
    amulford Posts: 5,020
    edited March 2008
    If you had said that first....

    I have some Ohms in the GAYrage. I think they do a great job, because the image stays stable as you move around. They like space.
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited March 2008
    something about putting those Legacy's in a garage.............unless its a kick **** garage, lol. I have a second "fun rig" that I use to play with stuff in a completly different direction than my main 2 channel rig. for example, my fun rig I have in a small room with bookshelves and a little tube integrated......will try a tube pre and amp too just to experiment....the point is, it is fun to experiment and I dont have to f**k with the main rig since it is right where I like it.

    Perhaps do something like that with your garage rig. try different things to see what you like and dont like. You'll learn alot about different gear, and knowlege in this hobby can save you a SH*TLOAD of money :D

    to go this route, you would probably want to roll with used gear to mitigate losses on resale.

    definitly try LSi15's, beloved by many as well as underated by many here in my eyes. I had LSi9's and 15's in my 2 channel rig and loved them. only reason they were moved was becuase I decided to base my home theater on them, where they serve to this day and the forseeable future.

    I have Carver Platinums, but I cant get them to sound as good as I know they can sound in my basement 2 channel area, I use Teledyne (Acoustic Research) AR9's with HUGE success. 800 used tops and it performs VERY well in my system. Biamping = a good thing with these. if you really want something that you might like as well as the Carvers, you definitly want to keep your eyes open for a pair of these to try. like the Carvers though, bring the power!!
    Living Room 2 Channel -
    Schiit SYS Passive Pre. Jolida CD player. Songbird streamer. California Audio Labs Sigma II DAC, DIY 300as1/a1 Ice modules Class D amp. LSi15 with MM842 woofer upgrade, Nordost Blue Heaven and Unity interconnects.

    Upstairs 2 Channel Rig -
    Prometheus Ref. TVC passive pre, SAE A-205 Amp, Wiim pro streamer and Topping E50 DAC, California Audio Labs DX1 CD player, Von Schweikert VR3.5 speakers.

    Studio Rig - Scarlett 18i20(Gen3) DAW, Mac Mini, Aiyma A07 Max (BridgedX2), Totem Mites
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited March 2008
    dragon1952 wrote: »
    BTW, who does make the best shotgun anyway? :confused:

    Benelli :)
    Jake
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  • mulveling
    mulveling Posts: 505
    edited March 2008
    Though its depends on what you consider "full range" -
    As a budding fanboy, I must point out that Tannoy DC speakers are highly underrated/under-marketed in the US. That means some great audiogon deals can be bargained on the more contemporary models (the collectible vintage drivers go for serious coin, but some may be in range w/ custom cabinets) - when they do pop up, they receive much less interest than deserved. The Eyris DC3 can be had under $1500, the Dimension TD10 has gone as low as $2500, and the new Revelation series towers should be in range, when they finally come up used. Nothing is more coherent than a (nearly) full-bandwidth point source :)

    Also - yes, those Legacy speakers should sound great in the right system, and the price seems right. I had the Signature III, which adds a 3rd downfiring 10" woofer in a sealed configuration, and a poly midwoofer below the kevlar. Another good option, worth exploring. The rosewood finish looks a heckuva lot better though :D
    Tannoy Dimension TD10, SOTA Star Sapphire, Heathkit W4A's, McIntosh MC2100, Eddie-Current Zana Deux, Singlepower SDS, Sennheiser HD650, Audio-Technica L3000, Sony Qualia 010
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  • carversound
    carversound Posts: 44
    edited March 2008
    yes my garage is kickass
    heat
    air conditioning
    bar
    100inch projection 1080
    2 computers
    refriedge
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,170
    edited March 2008
    carversound wrote: »
    yes my garage is kickass
    heat
    air conditioning
    bar
    100inch projection 1080
    2 computers
    refriedge

    So essentially it's an entertainment space? Why not just say that upfront. How the hell do we know you don't have old bikes, lawn equipment, your mother-in laws remains, smelly garbage, old newspapers, mice, hornets nests and 2 cars in your garage.

    It took 23 posts to find out basic info. :rolleyes:

    H9

    P.s. My vote is for some vintage SDA's: SRS 2's, 1C's, 2.3's; 1.2's or SRS's. refresh the x-overs and add the RD0 silk replacement tweeters then kick back and enjoy.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited March 2008
    Best garage speaker ever made, Polk monitor 10(A) with the peerless tweeter, about 150 bucks, want a bit more refined with less bass then go for the Monitor 7, about the same price.

    RT1
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited March 2008
    Vandersteen 2Ci's.;)
    Testing
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,170
    edited March 2008
    reeltrouble1 wrote: »
    Best garage speaker ever made, Polk monitor 10(A) with the peerless tweeter, about 150 bucks, want a bit more refined with less bass then go for the Monitor 7, about the same price.

    RT1

    Big Ted normally I'd agree, but his "garage" sounds like a full blown entertainment room with 100" big screen, fridge, heat, AC, etc. It's not really a garage. It seems (with the little info he's given) he wants something on the scale of his Carver Amazings.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited March 2008
    well if its got a tv then its not 2-channel to me.

    RT1--I'm out.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,170
    edited March 2008
    reeltrouble1 wrote: »
    well if its got a tv then its not 2-channel to me.

    RT1--I'm out.

    LOL :D

    I have a TV (off to the side) and ain't know way there will be more than 2 face forward firing speakers in the room.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • jakelm
    jakelm Posts: 4,081
    edited March 2008
    reeltrouble1 wrote: »
    well if its got a tv then its not 2-channel to me.

    LMAO>>>>>>>>^^^^^^^^>>>>>>:D

    We know RT, the only thing modern you'll allow in you rig is.....Electricity...
    RT1--I'm out.

    Never ever ever...:rolleyes:
    Monitor 7b's front
    Monitor 4's surround
    Frankinpolk Center (2 mw6503's with peerless tweeter)
    M10's back surround
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    Tempest-X 15" DIY sub w/ Rythmik 350A plate amp
    Dayton 12" DVC w/ Rythmik 350a plate amp
    Harman/Kardon AVR-635
    Oppo 981hd
    Denon upconvert DVD player
    Jennings Research (vintage and rare)
    Mit RPTV WS-55513
    Tosh HD-XA1
    B&K AV5000


    Dont BAN me Bro!!!!:eek:
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  • AndyGwis
    AndyGwis Posts: 3,655
    edited March 2008
    Thiel makes some good speakers in the $2000 range (yes, I'm a fanboi of Thiel).

    Maybe CS 3.5/3.6s if you have a big room, 2.3/2.4s for a medium sized room, 1.6s for a small room.
    Stereo Rig: Hales Revelation 3, Musical Fidelity CD-Pre 24, Forte Model 3 amp, Lexicon RT-10 SACD, MMF-5 w/speedbox, Forte Model 2 Phono Pre, Cardas Crosslink, APC H15, URC MX-950, Lovan Stand
    Bedroom: Samsung HPR-4252, Toshiba HD-A2, HK 3480, Signal Cable, AQ speaker cable, Totem Dreamcatchers, SVS PB10-NSD, URC MX-850
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