Sl3000 and Rd0194-1 Question.

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,734
    edited February 2008
    Loco, you have SDA SRS's, Sal has SDA SRS 1.2TL's and that is why the crossovers are different.

    Once again, the SL3000's will not work properly with your crossovers.
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  • Loco57
    Loco57 Posts: 38
    edited February 2008
    F1,
    right got the tweeter situation RD0194-1's are the only replacement with my SDA-SRS speakers. SDA-SRS 1.2TL's are totally different animals even though they look the same on the outside right!

    So based on this has anyone done the crossover upgrade on the SDA-SRS model speakers that it appears that I have? And if so what results did you have taking into account the tweeter upgrade and electronics upgrade, was it worth it or am I flogging a dead horse here?

    I would like to see what is possible with these speakers considering the cabinet work to date and if the above modifications are worthwhile all could be fine in the end as I generally like to fiddle with things no matter what they are ( just ask my race bike mechanic).

    Once again thanks for the info!
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,734
    edited February 2008
    Loco, that's basically correct although the two versions are a little different on the outside too.

    Here's a little reading for you, http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26133
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,734
    edited February 2008
    Here's another with nice color pics, http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19053
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • Loco57
    Loco57 Posts: 38
    edited February 2008
    Thankyou F1 and Darqueknight,
    for the excellent information and photo sets saved all this to work by just hope I can get the right spec electronics to do the job and I bet with a lot of swearing and frustration I could do the changeover as well provided the wife doesn't come and ask me some inaine question at the vital moment or their could be a lynching!

    And who said the ANGER Managment classes weren't working!!!!!!!
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited February 2008
    Is there some documentation from Polk as to what damage putting sl3000's in non TL's would cause?

    This has been discussed before and I am still doing it in my 2.3's: http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35350
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,734
    edited February 2008
    Will it damage anything, no. Will it sound like it was designed to, no. From the link you posted. "Without the proper crossover mods you'll not get the correct frequency response."
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,204
    edited February 2008
    candyliquor35m wrote: »
    Is there some documentation from Polk as to what damage putting sl3000's in non TL's would cause?

    This has been discussed before and I am still doing it in my 2.3's: http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35350

    No one ever said damage would occur if you used the sl3000 in place of the sl2000. The high frequency part of the x-overs just isn't optimized or designed to sound correct (the original sound intended by Polk) if a different tweeter is used in the circuit.

    I think I explained why I felt we needed to keep things going in the right direction in this thread. Anyone can experiment and do what they want but he didn;t ask about experimenting with his SRS's.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited February 2008
    All the critical frequencies are covered and they sound phenominal. Otherwise I wouldn't have left them in for over 2 years. They aren't as detailed and clear and precise as the sl2000 but they are a nice alternative to someone who isn't adventurous enough to put a cap on their sl2000's.

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=13062&d=1135828500

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=30823&d=1201209651

    This isn't any different than the never ending cable debate which the standard answer appears to be "if you haven't tried it, your opinion means nothing".

    Edit: I beg someone to send me 1-3 pair of rd0198's to demo for a week.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,204
    edited February 2008
    candyliquor35m wrote: »
    All the critical frequencies are covered and they sound phenominal. Otherwise I wouldn't have left them in for over 2 years. They aren't as detailed and clear and precise as the sl2000 but they are a nice alternative to someone who isn't adventurous enough to put a cap on their sl2000's.

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=13062&d=1135828500

    This isn't any different than the never ending cable debate which the standard answer appears to be "if you haven't tried it, your opinion means nothing".

    Edit: I beg someone to send me 1-3 pair of rd0198's to demo for a week.

    You just don't get it.............are you that dense? One could replace a MW6510 with a MW6503 but it wouldn't be correct. Glad you experimented and enjoy what you have made. It's not the proper replacement tweeter & THAT has been what this thread is all about. NOT, what can fit in the hole and make sound.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,204
    edited February 2008
    candyliquor35m wrote: »
    This isn't any different than the never ending cable debate which the standard answer appears to be "if you haven't tried it, your opinion means nothing".

    It absolutely is different............the cdp or amp or reciever or preamp, etc. doesn't have a specific circuit in it designed to be used with a certain and singular cable to be coherent with the full spectrum of sound the entire speaker is designed to reproduce.

    The end result is the same as in altered sound, but it's a poor analogy.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,204
    edited February 2008
    Loco, this link might give you some more insight also.

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60079

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited February 2008
    So I think we're in agreement now. The sl3000's were not designed to replace the sl2000's but it can be done without doing any damage to the speakers or the amp and some have tried it with great results. Polk has never come out and said it won't work or that it shouldn't be done.

    Demos are available to non-believers :D
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,734
    edited February 2008
    heiney9 wrote: »
    You just don't get it.............are you that dense?


    Sigh.....appears to be the case.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2008
    candyliquor35m wrote: »
    Demos are available to non-believers :D
    Bring hearing protection. :D
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited February 2008
    I like cymbals that sound like cymbals not like somebody banging on a plastic frisbee.

    I've never heard anyone say that the sl3000 was bright.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,734
    edited February 2008
    candyliquor35m wrote: »
    I've never heard anyone say that the sl3000 was bright.

    The SL3000 is bright. There, now you've heard it.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,204
    edited February 2008
    candyliquor35m wrote: »
    I've never heard anyone say that the sl3000 was bright.

    I have to wear shades when I have the grill covers off.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited February 2008
    I snorted coke off the back of an SL3000 with Gary Busey.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • BaggedLancer
    BaggedLancer Posts: 6,371
    edited February 2008
    dorokusai wrote: »
    I snorted coke off the back of an SL3000 with Gary Busey.



    it's nice to be able to post on the forum that you snort coke off polk products but you get banned for posting about feeling wood.


    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,204
    edited February 2008
    BaggedLancer wrote: »
    it's nice to be able to post on the forum that you snort coke off polk products but you get banned for posting about feeling wood.


    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


    When were you banned bagged? Let it go already. :cool:
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • BaggedLancer
    BaggedLancer Posts: 6,371
    edited February 2008
    heiney9 wrote: »
    When were you banned bagged? Let it go already. :cool:

    We both know who I was talking about. Just establishing the double or triple standard in some cases that is obvious.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,204
    edited February 2008
    BaggedLancer wrote: »
    We both know who I was talking about. Just establishing the double or triple standard in some cases that is obvious.

    That's life baby........I'm confident perhaps there was more to the story than a simple comment about wood. Plus, Mark didn't have anything to do with the banning. Anyways back to the sl3000 and what you can and can't snort of the back of it.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited February 2008
    heiney9 wrote: »
    I have to wear shades when I have the grill covers off.

    That's what I do and margaritas in the blender and 84 in the shade.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited February 2008
    BaggedLancer wrote: »
    it's nice to be able to post on the forum that you snort coke off polk products but you get banned for posting about feeling wood.


    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Do you live on the planet Earth? What makes you think Gary Busey stopped by Damascus, MD?
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • BaggedLancer
    BaggedLancer Posts: 6,371
    edited February 2008
    dorokusai wrote: »
    Do you live on the planet Earth? What makes you think Gary Busey stopped by Damascus, MD?

    Thank you for proving my point. Carry on. :rolleyes:
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited February 2008
    Happy Listening!
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • Loco57
    Loco57 Posts: 38
    edited February 2008
    Now this is all getting a bit to weird for me, I'm not all that keen on the drinking version never lone the powdered stuff, as for Gary Busey does he even have any POLK gear?

    Most of the time I am glad to be on this side of the World, and this is certinally one of them.
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited February 2008
    Our threads never stay on track. If you like to be entertained and as confused as a baby in a topless bar then you'll have some good times here.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,204
    edited February 2008
    candyliquor35m wrote: »
    Our threads never stay on track. If you like to be entertained and as confused as a baby in a topless bar then you'll have some good times here.

    The only one making things confusing in this thread was your post(s). Most everything else (besides the off topic stuff) was on point.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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