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crd2002
crd2002 Posts: 174
edited January 2008 in 2 Channel Audio
have onkyo 805 with a cinenova grand and rti12
I dont know if its me but I think the onkyo is holding the speakers back will I see much improvement in volume with a preamp or do you guys think its a waste of money?
Home Theater sony 52 inch lcd,Cinenova grande 7 channel, polk RTI8,CSI5,FXI5,onkyo 805
2 Channel rig Sunfire grand cinema 5ch,sunfire TGA III,Rotel 1072,polk RTI12,Monster hts 5100
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited January 2008
    You will see an improvement with a separate prepro, and it shouldn't just be in volume. There should be better separation between instruments, better bass, better clearer vocals & dialog. Of course you should have already noticed these improvements already.

    What is it that you think is wrong? You certainly now have the ability to go as loud as you want without worry. Your ears will give out before the amp does.
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited January 2008
    If you're mainly interested in an "improvement in volume," buying a preamp is a waste of money, IMO, unless you have a very large room and/or you enjoy listening at insanely high volumes.

    However, a very nice 2-channel preamp would probably sound much better than your 805.
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

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  • crd2002
    crd2002 Posts: 174
    edited January 2008
    it does sound clean as hell but sometimes I found myself trying to go more on the volume and there is no more to go and these speakers are huge and the amp is a beast 300wpc maybe I need to play with the settings in the onkyo to get more volume or is a pre the only way to go?
    Home Theater sony 52 inch lcd,Cinenova grande 7 channel, polk RTI8,CSI5,FXI5,onkyo 805
    2 Channel rig Sunfire grand cinema 5ch,sunfire TGA III,Rotel 1072,polk RTI12,Monster hts 5100
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  • Bill Ayotte
    Bill Ayotte Posts: 1,860
    edited January 2008
    If you are running 2 ch. exclusively, I would go pick up a nice 2 channel pre. You will see an improvement in sound quality, maybe volume. You must either have a large **** room or be at least partially deaf like I am, if you are looking to go louder with 300WPC.....
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  • Kapacitor
    Kapacitor Posts: 19
    edited January 2008
    crd2002 wrote: »
    it does sound clean as hell but sometimes I found myself trying to go more on the volume and there is no more to go and these speakers are huge and the amp is a beast 300wpc maybe I need to play with the settings in the onkyo to get more volume or is a pre the only way to go?
    I hear what you are saying.
    Many speakers have a built in "bass boost", and sound fuller at low volume settings.
    My SRS 2's seem to want some volume to "come alive" in the bass department.
    By comparasion, my Matrix 801's are fuller sounding in the bass.
    So, when I use the Polks, I simply turn my subwoofers up a bit to compensate.
    Bass level is a personal preference, I like mine full and rich.
    Perhaps you might explore a good pair of sub woofers instead of a huge amp ?
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  • crd2002
    crd2002 Posts: 174
    edited January 2008
    what pre do you recommend?
    Home Theater sony 52 inch lcd,Cinenova grande 7 channel, polk RTI8,CSI5,FXI5,onkyo 805
    2 Channel rig Sunfire grand cinema 5ch,sunfire TGA III,Rotel 1072,polk RTI12,Monster hts 5100
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  • Bill Ayotte
    Bill Ayotte Posts: 1,860
    edited January 2008
    What are you looking to spend? It makes it easier for me to suggest something.
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  • crd2002
    crd2002 Posts: 174
    edited January 2008
    dont really know what do you think about the parasound P3
    Home Theater sony 52 inch lcd,Cinenova grande 7 channel, polk RTI8,CSI5,FXI5,onkyo 805
    2 Channel rig Sunfire grand cinema 5ch,sunfire TGA III,Rotel 1072,polk RTI12,Monster hts 5100
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  • crd2002
    crd2002 Posts: 174
    edited January 2008
    what do you guys think of the outlaw audio model 990
    Home Theater sony 52 inch lcd,Cinenova grande 7 channel, polk RTI8,CSI5,FXI5,onkyo 805
    2 Channel rig Sunfire grand cinema 5ch,sunfire TGA III,Rotel 1072,polk RTI12,Monster hts 5100
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  • crd2002
    crd2002 Posts: 174
    edited January 2008
    got the issue resolved dont need a preamp thanks to Bill Ayotte for his help this thing will blow my ears off now:D:D:D:D
    Home Theater sony 52 inch lcd,Cinenova grande 7 channel, polk RTI8,CSI5,FXI5,onkyo 805
    2 Channel rig Sunfire grand cinema 5ch,sunfire TGA III,Rotel 1072,polk RTI12,Monster hts 5100
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited January 2008
    So what did you do that made the difference????
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited January 2008
    Good Lord. You have a Cinenova and you want it louder?!?!?:eek:
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
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  • nikolas812
    nikolas812 Posts: 2,915
    edited January 2008
    wingnut4772 wrote: »
    Good Lord. You have a Cinenova and you want it louder?!?!?:eek:

    Thats what I was thinking.:eek:

    What did you do to get it right?:confused:
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  • crd2002
    crd2002 Posts: 174
    edited January 2008
    when in the settings and added more gain to the source devices and man what a defference
    Home Theater sony 52 inch lcd,Cinenova grande 7 channel, polk RTI8,CSI5,FXI5,onkyo 805
    2 Channel rig Sunfire grand cinema 5ch,sunfire TGA III,Rotel 1072,polk RTI12,Monster hts 5100
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