How much power is too much power for the RTi12

chargerman426
chargerman426 Posts: 419
edited January 2008 in Speakers
I currently am running a pair of RTi12's with a Carver M1.5T amp, which is 350 watts RMS. I just purchased another M1.5T amp and am wondering should I bi-amplify the speakers with the second amp. Would this be too much power for the speakers? Thank you.
If life had more tubes it would be a lot smoother.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2008
    No amount of power is too much, the more the better.
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  • Phasearray
    Phasearray Posts: 437
    edited January 2008
    When your ears start ringing, it's too much
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,093
    edited January 2008
    Hang tight, Cathy will be chiming in shortly. There's no such thing as too much power. Too little & you have a problem.
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited January 2008
    :D You don't need me, you & Max just answered it yourselves!:D:D:D
    pearsall001 wrote: »
    Hang tight, Cathy will be chiming in shortly. There's no such thing as too much power. Too little & you have a problem.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,236
    edited January 2008
    chargerman426 wrote: »
    I currently am running a pair of RTi12's with a Carver M1.5T amp, which is 350 watts RMS. I just purchased another M1.5T amp and am wondering should I bi-amplify the speakers with the second amp. Would this be too much power for the speakers? Thank you.
    Nope, not at all. That's the way I ran my rig [only exception was I had the RTi10's instead of the 12's] for a while. Definitely bi-amp those puppies. Your ears will thank you.

    Good luck getting the LED meters up and not getting deaf first. It will get LOUD. Just listen for any distortion and if any is present....turn it down a notch and you'll be good to go for years.

    That is until the urge to upgrade hits again. :rolleyes:
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited January 2008
    treitz3 wrote: »
    Good luck getting the LED meters up and not getting deaf first.

    I love that about my system. You know you have a powerful rig if you never peg the LED meter on the amp!
    Jake
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  • chargerman426
    chargerman426 Posts: 419
    edited January 2008
    ok thanks right now with one of the M1.5t's i have made it use the anti clipping which means that i had about 600 watts going to them i dont think i will have that problem if i bi amp wit two of them.
    If life had more tubes it would be a lot smoother.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,019
    edited January 2008
    Ok now,something is not kosher if that amp is clipping on the 12's.
    How loud are you playing them sticky fingers?
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  • chargerman426
    chargerman426 Posts: 419
    edited January 2008
    i had a song with some really tight bass playing up at about -9 db. The carver has anti clipping technology in it so it didnt have a hard clipp but it the top L.E.D came on and there was an audible sound when the L.E.D came on.
    If life had more tubes it would be a lot smoother.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,236
    edited January 2008
    Geez-o-flip Charger! Don't turn it up THAT high! It has anti-clipping technology, but you can still damage the speakers running them THAT loud.

    Yes, being vertically bi-amped will help this situation out. Just don't cook the coils or melt the tweeter.

    A good rule of thumb with the setup you have would be to never hit the top LED unless it only hits maybe once a minute. That would be at the thresh hold of too much power for you. ;)

    I hope you have a big room, otherwise you're gonna be deaf in ten years. Seriously. No, seriously.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited January 2008
    I would limit your self to 1 horsepower of watts.
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  • chargerman426
    chargerman426 Posts: 419
    edited January 2008
    I have only let the top L.E.D hit one time. And the room is really small and i have two of the psw404s so i think i might have a problem with the going deaf thing.
    If life had more tubes it would be a lot smoother.
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited January 2008
    Obviously, you need 4 of the 1.5s bi-amped to take advantage of the 12s. If you can't pop a zit, you're not loud enough.:p

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  • nikolas812
    nikolas812 Posts: 2,915
    edited January 2008
    chargerman426 wrote: »
    I currently am running a pair of RTi12's with a Carver M1.5T amp, which is 350 watts RMS. I just purchased another M1.5T amp and am wondering should I bi-amplify the speakers with the second amp. Would this be too much power for the speakers? Thank you.


    By bi-amplify do you meen one amp for the highs and one for lows? If it were me I would bridge both amps mono and run one on the left channel and one on the right channel. Aren't those amps like 1000-1500 watts briged mono. I would bridge them and let'em eat.:D
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited January 2008
    dorokusai wrote: »
    I would limit your self to 1 horsepower of watts.

    good advice.

    RT1
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,093
    edited January 2008
    You are going to damage your speakers and, more importantly, your hearing.

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  • ward91
    ward91 Posts: 338
    edited January 2008
    the amp for the tweeter/mids is the one i would be bein the most cautious about as tweeters can be verry easily dammaged by cliping and are actualy a smaller power rating than the bass/mids so cant handle all the power that a clipped signal will give.
    and one other thing no doubt those amps have good cooling (apart from a fan which is just plain annoying most of the time)and thermal protection but in bridge mode they will get hotter as the outputs act like the impedance has halfed.and the speakers dont actualy give you a wrms rating do they ? just a recomended amp. im shure it'l be ok as there are people here with first hand experiance sayying so but i always try to consider the numbers first. even though a amp twice the power would be fine if you knew what you were doing with it (signal wise ect)
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  • ward91
    ward91 Posts: 338
    edited January 2008
    have any of you with rti12's blown them? of smelt them burning? i find it suprising that they can handle 500w. if so how hard were you driving them and for how long?
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  • chargerman426
    chargerman426 Posts: 419
    edited January 2008
    Ok the carver M1.5t are nor bridgeable so if i was to run two i would have to bi-amp them. The carvers also run VERY VERY cool and do not have any fans on them. I have played with one hooked up for 30 minutes with the LEDs just dancing and i checked it with a temp gun and the hottest part was only 130f (the carver turn it self off at 150ish). And to answer ward91's question i have had the top LED on the carver come on and that means i had 600 watts going to the RTi12 and no problem but i only let the light hit one time because when i heard the anti-clipping start working i got nevus about hurting the speakers
    If life had more tubes it would be a lot smoother.
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