Are dreams "virtual reality" threat simulation?

Jstas
Jstas Posts: 14,806
edited January 2008 in The Clubhouse
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/index.php?term=pto-20071029-000003&print=1

This is a very interesting article. I'm not saying it's right just some food for thought. Out of all the dream theories I've heard, this one makes sense. Kinda makes Freud look like a crackpot too.

Anyway, the article gets kind thick near the end but if you read the first few paragraphs down to "A Season In Hell", you'll get the gist of the article.

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  • jdhdiggs
    jdhdiggs Posts: 4,305
    edited January 2008
    Apperantly my defense mechanism is to just do a hot chick... I wonder if that would stand up in court...
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    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2008
    The page won't load correctly for me. The right margin is cutting off the words and sentances.
  • MillerLiteScott
    MillerLiteScott Posts: 2,561
    edited January 2008
    //\\ Joe just dream about it tonight. :D
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited January 2008
    Jstas wrote: »
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/index.php?term=pto-20071029-000003&print=1

    This is a very interesting article. I'm not saying it's right just some food for thought. Out of all the dream theories I've heard, this one makes sense. Kinda makes Freud look like a crackpot too.

    Ther'es not much in this world that DOESN'T make Freud look like a crackpot :)

    Really cool article though, thanks!
    If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited January 2008
    It would be tough to advance this virtual reality argument because the problem with dreams is no one knows how to interpret them. We all know from experience that dreams can be really weird, so you often can't take them literally. And even if all dreams conformed to reality, it doesn't mean they will manifest, nor does it mean we should draw any logical conclusions from them.

    Moreover, we only recall a small portion of the dreams we actually have. It could be kinda like watching 5 minutes of a 2 hour movie, then trying to explain the entire movie.

    But, of course, how can we know anything about our dreams if our faculties of logic are suspended during the time we're dreaming?
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited January 2008
    I think this study is interesting because rather than trying to directly interpret each dream or even dreams as a whole based on their content, they're rather focusing on the effects of removing dreams and extrapolating a hypothesis from that.

    Barring any sort of future technology that allows us to watch people's dreams in realtime, I think this is where any meaningful study about dream psychology is going to come from - studying the effects, not the content.
    If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited January 2008
    bobman1235 wrote: »
    Barring any sort of future technology that allows us to watch people's dreams in realtime, I think this is where any meaningful study about dream psychology is going to come from - studying the effects, not the content.

    The broad assumption here is that dreams have some sort of a physical effect. Another perspective is that dreams may be a means for your subconscious to communicate with the conscious part of you to inform you what thoughts and behaviors to correct.
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited January 2008
    Early B. wrote: »
    The broad assumption here is that dreams have some sort of a physical effect. Another perspective is that dreams may be a means for your subconscious to communicate with the conscious part of you to inform you what thoughts and behaviors to correct.

    Sure, but studying for a physical effect would also show if there was no physical effect, wouldn't it?
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited January 2008
    bobman1235 wrote: »
    Sure, but studying for a physical effect would also show if there was no physical effect, wouldn't it?

    Correct. And that's precisely what the researchers are gonna find, but on humans, not rats. :p
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