Rti 6 destroying the paradigm !

polkseller

I just bought the RTI 6 to replace the recent paradigm mini monitor v5.

Just when I switch them on the same source, I found the sound much better. In fact, drums set, guitar strings and every studio track are easy to listen to. Everything sound clearer.

I'm amazed by those too good to be true, sounding speakers.

They are no more than 20 minutes on these and they shine.. I hope they will be better with time.

Paradigm might be for sale !
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Yashu

What is your associated equipment, AMP, Source, Cables, Ect...?

I felt the RTi series to be pretty bright, and the Paradigms to be more relaxed... So, it would be interesting to see what your other equipment is.

dkg999

Really not a good comparison between the mini-monitor and the 6's. I would expect the RTi6's to sound better.

polkseller

The polk are not bright at all. Paradigm were hiding nice midrange and high's details.

I have very good sounding yamaha htr-5960 receiver and high quality anticables and monster Z1 wires. THe yamaha impedance change above 12k so that might not help the highs response. I tried many different speaker wires and I found that many of them are not flat sounding and gives exagerrated highs.

It's true that paradigm are relaxed, very lazy sound on a raining day. But polk is way more high end and analytical.

They reminds me Jmlab sound (reference french sound) at afraction of the cost.

LuSh

WOW.

They say hearing is perception and very subjective.

+1.

Yashu

Yeah, I get a wow feeling too when I hear the RTi 6s aren't bright when connected a modern yamaha anything. Yamaha makes some good stuff, but I would have felt the Paradigms would have been a nice warm offset to the colder yamaha. They use less power too... You think those RTi sound good now, try them with a seperate amp, hehe... that will truly get your addiction going.

However, this is just my opinion. I admit that there are people that LOVE and LIVE for HF extension... and the "bright" RTi can certainly get up into the upper octaves. I do have to also admit that when I tried the RTi4s, while I returned them because of the sizzly tweeter, they did have a good midrange, and I am sure the RTi 6s have adequate bass. The 4s were bass shy, almost alarmingly so, since they are a larger speaker than they "sound". I feel like there are quite a few smaller speakers that have a much larger low end. However, the midrange was definitely accurate, even though the tweeter gave me listener fatigue very quickly, but that was not due to midrange, but to, I would say, 16,000hz and up.

The RTi 6s are certainly built well, and they look quite nice too with the real wood veneer.

These are all "house" sounds that are up to personal preference. I enjoy the more relaxed Paradigm lines, like the Atom.

If the OP is able to, I would run pink noise, looped, through the speakers for at least 24 hours. Reverse the polarity of one speaker's cable to put them out of phase for the breakin, this way you can turn them up much louder without having to make enemies of your neighbors, or wife. The key is to get that tweeter well broken in (if the AVR has an EQ, turn the treble up to really get the tweeter moving), but it needs to be pink noise, so that you do not damage the speakers or amp. After some good breakin, the speakers are going to be sounding their best, the RTi takes a bit of work to get them truly broken in.

Chicomoralessxm

LuSh wrote: »

WOW.

They say hearing is perception and very subjective.

+1.

LUSH how do those dyna 52's sound?

LuSh

I'll let you know in a couple weeks, they arrive next week and require 200hr break in; I was just excited to get rid of my Totem's.

ABX

LuSh wrote: »

I'll let you know in a couple weeks, they arrive next week and require 200hr break in; I was just excited to get rid of my Totem's.

Many find the Totems bright.

ABX

Yashu wrote: »

Yeah, I get a wow feeling too when I hear the RTi 6s aren't bright when connected a modern yamaha anything. Yamaha makes some good stuff, but I would have felt the Paradigms would have been a nice warm offset to the colder yamaha. They use less power too... You think those RTi sound good now, try them with a seperate amp, hehe... that will truly get your addiction going.

However, this is just my opinion. I admit that there are people that LOVE and LIVE for HF extension... and the "bright" RTi can certainly get up into the upper octaves. I do have to also admit that when I tried the RTi4s, while I returned them because of the sizzly tweeter, they did have a good midrange, and I am sure the RTi 6s have adequate bass. The 4s were bass shy, almost alarmingly so, since they are a larger speaker than they "sound". I feel like there are quite a few smaller speakers that have a much larger low end. However, the midrange was definitely accurate, even though the tweeter gave me listener fatigue very quickly, but that was not due to midrange, but to, I would say, 16,000hz and up.

The RTi 6s are certainly built well, and they look quite nice too with the real wood veneer.

These are all "house" sounds that are up to personal preference. I enjoy the more relaxed Paradigm lines, like the Atom.

If the OP is able to, I would run pink noise, looped, through the speakers for at least 24 hours. Reverse the polarity of one speaker's cable to put them out of phase for the breakin, this way you can turn them up much louder without having to make enemies of your neighbors, or wife. The key is to get that tweeter well broken in (if the AVR has an EQ, turn the treble up to really get the tweeter moving), but it needs to be pink noise, so that you do not damage the speakers or amp. After some good breakin, the speakers are going to be sounding their best, the RTi takes a bit of work to get them truly broken in.

The Paradigm atom I heard sounded like a loudness control built in.
Musical little devil it was though.

polkseller

I'm looking to get an Acurus a100 amp for my fronts RTI6 in the near future.

yashu, tHe rti4 are amazing speakers on the bass for the size. The midrange is a bit different from the rti6 and some people like that the voice is a little bit more powerful on them.

Last summer in my store, I was talking with a customer and a subwoofer was disturbing me in the HT room. SO I went in to power it off and guess what...no subwoofer were in fonction ! Only the Rti4 were hook on a movie (starwars I think) with booming bass at reference volume. wow fantastic bass like a little 8 inch sub. I dont remember the receiver tho. I was so impress that I told my friend to come listen.

so I hope that the RTi 6 will rock on this matter. I already feel a difference (with 4 hours break in) over the paradigm. I can feel a floor vibration not present with the paradigm gentle bass.

The yamaha receivers are one of the best regarded on the market right now. I tried myself harman kardon 247, denon 988 (last week) and I can say that is yamaha that sounded the less cold and more natural/musical. It's true that the paradigm use less current and are more warm sounding, but the combination of the 2 makes the sound WAY TOO WARM SOUNDING.

My conclusion is that the paradigm monitor are not truly neutral compared to the polk and more forgiving of bad electronics (not the case with yamaha) or that the yamaha burr-brown DAC's/highter impedance for high frequency makes it warm sounding. I'm totally convinced that a better amp will help the RTi6 sound even better, specially on the highs. But that can also helps the paradigm sound more neutral.

polkseller

I Listened to Keane Hope and fear CD on the polk Rti6,

-Drum kit sound way better and more natural than the paradigm, cymbals too

- Frequency linearity seems better from low to highs.

- Recorded effects and different track on the mixing are more reconisable with the polk.

polk win by a large margin. Only thing better with the paradigm for the moment is the speaker sound dispersion in the room OFF axis and a very lazy sound when you want to relax.