Building a computer
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Wow, ok. I guess the web pwns me. Those are awesome!
I'm changing my RAM. Even if there is no benefit...it's just as cheap...so why not?
Thanks!
Now I'm going out to work on the system in my Jeep some. Need to troubleshoot a few things.George Grand wrote: »
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Pro-Ject Phono Box MKII, Parasound P/HP-850, ASL Wave 20 monoblocks
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I got this drive: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16827106072
You can get cheaper if you buy OEM but this came with a simple version of Nero which I use from time to time.God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. - Romans 5:8 -
I've heard some complaints about Lite-On drives and being picky about the brand blank CD's used. Actually, a friend had one and it was picky about reading regular installation CD's.
You had any issues like that?George Grand wrote: »
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Epson 8700UB
In Storage
[Home Audio]
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Pro-Ject Phono Box MKII, Parasound P/HP-850, ASL Wave 20 monoblocks
Klipsch RF-35, RB-51ii
[Car Audio]
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Nope, it has read numerous CDs and I burned a DVD the other day with no issues. I used Memorex DVD+R media. I can try a -R once my roommate gets back if you would like.God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. - Romans 5:8
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Nah, that's fine; I don't burn DVD's that much. Thanks though!George Grand wrote: »
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Epson 8700UB
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[Home Audio]
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Pro-Ject Phono Box MKII, Parasound P/HP-850, ASL Wave 20 monoblocks
Klipsch RF-35, RB-51ii
[Car Audio]
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You don't consider the Cruzial and Patriot I send links to be quality RAM?
Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
($62.99 after $47.00 Mail-In Rebate)
Patriot Extreme Performance 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
($51.99 after $40.00 Mail-In Rebate)
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audiobliss wrote: »I've heard some complaints about Lite-On drives and being picky about the brand blank CD's used. Actually, a friend had one and it was picky about reading regular installation CD's.
You had any issues like that?
My Lite On drive will not burn a Phillips blank CD. It works well with Memorex, Sony, and no-name blanks that I've tried. -
Ok, so now I've got another question. I think I've decided to up it to two 320GB HD's instead of two 250GB HD's. However, I'm not sure which I want.
Here's three Seagate 320GB HD's from NewEgg; what's the difference?
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Seagate SV35.2 ST3320620SV 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Seagate Barracuda ES ST3320620NS 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
What are the differences, why the difference in prices, and which do I want?
Thanks!!George Grand wrote: »
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I would tell you to buy Western Digital drives. In my 20 years since my first 40 meg drive and tens of thousands since, I’ve had very few problems. However, Maxtor and Seagate have had some serious disasters (any one remember Big Foot?).
Either way, make sure you use them for raid 1. The best performance boost you can give your PC right now is raiding the hard drives.Testing
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I'm definitely not going to do RAID, at least not now. I'm definitely not that performance-minded. However, it would be awesome to do that at some point in time. But I need more than 320GB of storage space, so I won't be going RAID quite yet.
Thanks for the tip about WD. I'll look into their HD's.George Grand wrote: »
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[Car Audio]
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audiobliss wrote: »Ok, so now I've got another question. I think I've decided to up it to two 320GB HD's instead of two 250GB HD's. However, I'm not sure which I want.
Here's three Seagate 320GB HD's from NewEgg; what's the difference?
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What are the differences, why the difference in prices, and which do I want?
Thanks!!
Barracuda (7200.10) - mainstream consumer grade
Barracuda ES - server class product; supposedly more reliable
SV35.2 - designed for digital video recorders and surveillance systems
Warranty is the same for all Seagate drives - 5 years and beats the WD 3 year warranty. The Barracuda 7200.10 seems to be a bit faster than Caviar SE16 in general use, but at the same time runs hotter and louder. -
Thanks for your input, VSchneider. Very much appreciated!
How much louder is the Seagate? Is it really much of an issue? I'm not really harping on a quiet system, here, as it is going to be inside my desk. But I still don't want anything uber loud.
Price-wise, I'd most definitely rather go with the Barracuda. However, do you think it's worth the extra $10 for that supposed added reliability?George Grand wrote: »
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Pioneer Elite VSX-52, Parasound HCA-1000A
Klipsch RF-82ii, RC-62ii, RS-42ii, RW-10d
Epson 8700UB
In Storage
[Home Audio]
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Pro-Ject Phono Box MKII, Parasound P/HP-850, ASL Wave 20 monoblocks
Klipsch RF-35, RB-51ii
[Car Audio]
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shadowofnight wrote: »The power supply in that case is pure junk...kinda like the white van speakers or the 69 dollar " 1,000 watt amp " ....Sure it might work for now ( Maybe ) but I have had to replace so many of those extremely cheap ps .
He is putting a quad core cpu...2 GB of ram and a power hungry Nvidia video card in his system....that takes a quality PS to keep from getting spontaneous reboots..lockups...or outright failure.
Well you were absolutly correct. Had it running great last night for about 4 hours shut it down and went to bed. Turned it on this morning and whaaammmoo...Sparks and smoke like the 4th of July.
I new it was cheap , but not that cheap. The old Dell PS is a better build.
So I called www.geeks.com , they gave me a credit and I bought this one, per the tech recommendation.
The biggest problem I have is the power cables....Not enough plugs, I had to "Y" it twice, for 2 HDD's and 2 DVD drives and those cool lights on the case.
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=PSAS-BK&cpc=SCHMonitor 7b's front
Monitor 4's surround
Frankinpolk Center (2 mw6503's with peerless tweeter)
M10's back surround
Hafler-200 driving patio Daytons
Tempest-X 15" DIY sub w/ Rythmik 350A plate amp
Dayton 12" DVC w/ Rythmik 350a plate amp
Harman/Kardon AVR-635
Oppo 981hd
Denon upconvert DVD player
Jennings Research (vintage and rare)
Mit RPTV WS-55513
Tosh HD-XA1
B&K AV5000
Dont BAN me Bro!!!!:eek: -
Wow, that's still really cheap for a 500W PSU. I've never heard of that company, but hopefully it'll serve you well.
I'm assuming you mean you had to splice wires on your old PSU? I'm not sure that's such a good idea! :eek:George Grand wrote: »
PS3, Yamaha CDR-HD1300, Plex, Amazon Fire TV Gen 2
Pioneer Elite VSX-52, Parasound HCA-1000A
Klipsch RF-82ii, RC-62ii, RS-42ii, RW-10d
Epson 8700UB
In Storage
[Home Audio]
Rotel RCD-02, Yamaha KX-W900U, Sony ST-S500ES, Denon DP-7F
Pro-Ject Phono Box MKII, Parasound P/HP-850, ASL Wave 20 monoblocks
Klipsch RF-35, RB-51ii
[Car Audio]
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audiobliss wrote: »Wow, that's still really cheap for a 500W PSU. I've never heard of that company, but hopefully it'll serve you well.
I'm assuming you mean you had to splice wires on your old PSU? I'm not sure that's such a good idea! :eek:
Not splice wires, a "Y" adapter. From 1 plug to 2. Like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812119009&Tpk=12-119-009Monitor 7b's front
Monitor 4's surround
Frankinpolk Center (2 mw6503's with peerless tweeter)
M10's back surround
Hafler-200 driving patio Daytons
Tempest-X 15" DIY sub w/ Rythmik 350A plate amp
Dayton 12" DVC w/ Rythmik 350a plate amp
Harman/Kardon AVR-635
Oppo 981hd
Denon upconvert DVD player
Jennings Research (vintage and rare)
Mit RPTV WS-55513
Tosh HD-XA1
B&K AV5000
Dont BAN me Bro!!!!:eek: -
Ahh, ok; I gotcha.George Grand wrote: »
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Pioneer Elite VSX-52, Parasound HCA-1000A
Klipsch RF-82ii, RC-62ii, RS-42ii, RW-10d
Epson 8700UB
In Storage
[Home Audio]
Rotel RCD-02, Yamaha KX-W900U, Sony ST-S500ES, Denon DP-7F
Pro-Ject Phono Box MKII, Parasound P/HP-850, ASL Wave 20 monoblocks
Klipsch RF-35, RB-51ii
[Car Audio]
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audiobliss wrote: »Ahh, ok; I gotcha.
Yeah, I just hope I'm still not hurting anything by doing that. But I really dont have any other choice. The PS's just dont have enough connection.Monitor 7b's front
Monitor 4's surround
Frankinpolk Center (2 mw6503's with peerless tweeter)
M10's back surround
Hafler-200 driving patio Daytons
Tempest-X 15" DIY sub w/ Rythmik 350A plate amp
Dayton 12" DVC w/ Rythmik 350a plate amp
Harman/Kardon AVR-635
Oppo 981hd
Denon upconvert DVD player
Jennings Research (vintage and rare)
Mit RPTV WS-55513
Tosh HD-XA1
B&K AV5000
Dont BAN me Bro!!!!:eek: -
audiobliss wrote: »How much louder is the Seagate? Is it really much of an issue? I'm not really harping on a quiet system, here, as it is going to be inside my desk. But I still don't want anything uber loud.
.. do you think it's worth the extra $10 for that supposed added reliability?
It's not something we are likely to notice at home - the numbers are within 5-10%, but they did show up in a pure bench test, all other parameters being equal. It would definitely matter had you been building a super cool and quiet HTPC. Check out the "Final Words" page in this LONG test article.
I was always a WD fan, but I do appreciate the Seagate 5-year warranty.
The reliability thing should probably not be a factor - we are not buying thousands of disks, and since I am not an expert on the subject, I am leaning towards more mainstream Barracuda or Caviar SE/SE16 lines.
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Sweet, I like that answer! Thanks for your input!!George Grand wrote: »
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Epson 8700UB
In Storage
[Home Audio]
Rotel RCD-02, Yamaha KX-W900U, Sony ST-S500ES, Denon DP-7F
Pro-Ject Phono Box MKII, Parasound P/HP-850, ASL Wave 20 monoblocks
Klipsch RF-35, RB-51ii
[Car Audio]
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Ok, folks; I just sent in my order for my computer!
Wish List
I just added that to my shopping cart and said check out!
I ordered my Q6600 CPU from clubit.com, 'cause they guarantee it's a G0.
What do y'all think?
I'm stoked!!!!!!!!!!George Grand wrote: »
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Pioneer Elite VSX-52, Parasound HCA-1000A
Klipsch RF-82ii, RC-62ii, RS-42ii, RW-10d
Epson 8700UB
In Storage
[Home Audio]
Rotel RCD-02, Yamaha KX-W900U, Sony ST-S500ES, Denon DP-7F
Pro-Ject Phono Box MKII, Parasound P/HP-850, ASL Wave 20 monoblocks
Klipsch RF-35, RB-51ii
[Car Audio]
Pioneer Premier DEH-P860MP, Memphis 16-MCA3004, Boston Acoustic RC520 -
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audiobliss wrote: »Ok, folks; I just sent in my order for my computer!
Wish List
I just added that to my shopping cart and said check out!
I ordered my Q6600 CPU from clubit.com, 'cause they guarantee it's a G0.
What do y'all think?
I'm stoked!!!!!!!!!!
Take your time...take your shoes AND socks off and touch a bare unpainted part of the case to get your potential the same as your work....esd discharges that you can't even feel can damage components easily.
Be careful of the standoffs in the case during motherboard installation...traces can be easily damaged ( Dont forget to put your motherboards I/O plate in the case beforehand ) Also, some cases come with the standoffs already installed...BE SURE they match your form factor holes exactly...Had one tech at work buy all his parts at Frys...he assembled them and it failed to POST...he brought it into work and had installed all the brass standoffs...one was shorting out the M/B..I removed it and he lucked out...the M/B now POSTed fine ...he was lucky. Other then those precautions the rest is a piece of cake...just be sure to route all of the cables cleanly for both good airflow and good asthetics
Even though I have built so many PC's....it still is pretty cool starting a new build...being stoked is good !
Also , beforehand...use another PC to download ALL of the newest drivers for your hardware onto a removable drive...toss the driver cd's that come with the hardware.
Take pics of your already obsolete before your parts get here PC build...:DThe first rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about Fight Club -
Well you were absolutly correct. Had it running great last night for about 4 hours shut it down and went to bed. Turned it on this morning and whaaammmoo...Sparks and smoke like the 4th of July.
I new it was cheap , but not that cheap. The old Dell PS is a better build.
So I called www.geeks.com , they gave me a credit and I bought this one, per the tech recommendation.
The biggest problem I have is the power cables....Not enough plugs, I had to "Y" it twice, for 2 HDD's and 2 DVD drives and those cool lights on the case.
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=PSAS-BK&cpc=SCH
I had to replace way too many of those OEM cheapo power supplies even before all of these major power hungry video cards hit the market. Even your cheap replacement is WORLDS better then those particular OEM supplies. Using the Y power supply adapters is fine...not a problemThe first rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about Fight Club -
You're going to love that processor!
You should have gone with a different GFX card for that price. Something like this maybe: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130292God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. - Romans 5:8 -
shadowofnight wrote: »I had to replace way too many of those OEM cheapo power supplies even before all of these major power hungry video cards hit the market. Even your cheap replacement is WORLDS better then those particular OEM supplies. Using the Y power supply adapters is fine...not a problem
Installed the new PowMax. What a quiet and cool looking PS. It had plenty of connections. No need for splitters anymore.Monitor 7b's front
Monitor 4's surround
Frankinpolk Center (2 mw6503's with peerless tweeter)
M10's back surround
Hafler-200 driving patio Daytons
Tempest-X 15" DIY sub w/ Rythmik 350A plate amp
Dayton 12" DVC w/ Rythmik 350a plate amp
Harman/Kardon AVR-635
Oppo 981hd
Denon upconvert DVD player
Jennings Research (vintage and rare)
Mit RPTV WS-55513
Tosh HD-XA1
B&K AV5000
Dont BAN me Bro!!!!:eek: -
You're going to love that processor!
You should have gone with a different GFX card for that price. Something like this maybe: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130292
That GFX card is going to be the first thing I upgrade, though it should last me a good year or two (maybe three if I don't get too much into gaming).
However, take a look at this chart. The 7900GS is actually ranked JUST above the 8600GT.
I think I'll be happy with the whole system!George Grand wrote: »
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Epson 8700UB
In Storage
[Home Audio]
Rotel RCD-02, Yamaha KX-W900U, Sony ST-S500ES, Denon DP-7F
Pro-Ject Phono Box MKII, Parasound P/HP-850, ASL Wave 20 monoblocks
Klipsch RF-35, RB-51ii
[Car Audio]
Pioneer Premier DEH-P860MP, Memphis 16-MCA3004, Boston Acoustic RC520 -
Installed the new PowMax. What a quiet and cool looking PS. It had plenty of connections. No need for splitters anymore.George Grand wrote: »
PS3, Yamaha CDR-HD1300, Plex, Amazon Fire TV Gen 2
Pioneer Elite VSX-52, Parasound HCA-1000A
Klipsch RF-82ii, RC-62ii, RS-42ii, RW-10d
Epson 8700UB
In Storage
[Home Audio]
Rotel RCD-02, Yamaha KX-W900U, Sony ST-S500ES, Denon DP-7F
Pro-Ject Phono Box MKII, Parasound P/HP-850, ASL Wave 20 monoblocks
Klipsch RF-35, RB-51ii
[Car Audio]
Pioneer Premier DEH-P860MP, Memphis 16-MCA3004, Boston Acoustic RC520 -
Ok, well, my friend came over and we put my computer together last weekend. I've just now gotten around to taking pictures and posting about it. The short of it is....I love it!!!
So, this is what I ended up with:
CPU: Q6600 G0/AC Freezer 7 Pro
MOBO: GIGABYTE P35-DS3R
RAM: 2GB Patriot DDR2 667
GFX: PNY GeForce 7900GS 256MB
PSU: PCP&C Silencer 610
HD: 2 x Seagate Barracuda 250GB
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-S203B
Case: Cooler Master Centurion 5
Monitor: Samsung 216BW
Sound: Sennheiser HD590
Mouse: Logitech G5
OS: XP Pro
The install went as smooth as I could have hoped. The CPU cooler gave us a scare as it was very difficult to install, but it's on very solid now.
After we had it together, she POSTed and installed Windows just fine.
I'm actually very happy with the case, too. It's HEAVY! That's my only complaint about it. It's very sturdy, plenty of room to work in it, etc. Looks nice enough, too, imo.
Here are some pics I've taken. The blue cable is the FDD cable, but I've since yanked the floppy drive and replaced it with my card reader.
I guess I'll let it run for a while longer at stocks speeds, but I can't wait to start OC'ing the CPU, RAM, and GFX card!
I ran the free version of 3DMark06 and got these results: a 4660.
I've been playing HL2, BF2, and of course my old Americas Army on it. Very cool!George Grand wrote: »
PS3, Yamaha CDR-HD1300, Plex, Amazon Fire TV Gen 2
Pioneer Elite VSX-52, Parasound HCA-1000A
Klipsch RF-82ii, RC-62ii, RS-42ii, RW-10d
Epson 8700UB
In Storage
[Home Audio]
Rotel RCD-02, Yamaha KX-W900U, Sony ST-S500ES, Denon DP-7F
Pro-Ject Phono Box MKII, Parasound P/HP-850, ASL Wave 20 monoblocks
Klipsch RF-35, RB-51ii
[Car Audio]
Pioneer Premier DEH-P860MP, Memphis 16-MCA3004, Boston Acoustic RC520 -
Congrats ... very nice... Now sit back enjoy and click away.
You know... I bet your thinking what I'm thinking. "I'm glad I built my own, because now I know exactly what I have and it didnt cost me millions of dollars to do it.":D:DMonitor 7b's front
Monitor 4's surround
Frankinpolk Center (2 mw6503's with peerless tweeter)
M10's back surround
Hafler-200 driving patio Daytons
Tempest-X 15" DIY sub w/ Rythmik 350A plate amp
Dayton 12" DVC w/ Rythmik 350a plate amp
Harman/Kardon AVR-635
Oppo 981hd
Denon upconvert DVD player
Jennings Research (vintage and rare)
Mit RPTV WS-55513
Tosh HD-XA1
B&K AV5000
Dont BAN me Bro!!!!:eek: -
Oh yeah! It's the greatest feeling knowing that YOU did THAT! It's awesome!George Grand wrote: »
PS3, Yamaha CDR-HD1300, Plex, Amazon Fire TV Gen 2
Pioneer Elite VSX-52, Parasound HCA-1000A
Klipsch RF-82ii, RC-62ii, RS-42ii, RW-10d
Epson 8700UB
In Storage
[Home Audio]
Rotel RCD-02, Yamaha KX-W900U, Sony ST-S500ES, Denon DP-7F
Pro-Ject Phono Box MKII, Parasound P/HP-850, ASL Wave 20 monoblocks
Klipsch RF-35, RB-51ii
[Car Audio]
Pioneer Premier DEH-P860MP, Memphis 16-MCA3004, Boston Acoustic RC520