I've Gone Over to the Dark Side!

hearingimpared
hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
edited September 2007 in 2 Channel Audio
VTL TL 5.5 preamp with phono stage!

12 tubes total. I don't know squat about tubes but I'm listening away.

Here is a review with specs.

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0602/vtltl55.htm

It's hard to do a direct A/B against the Spectral. Right now I am without my turntable. :mad: That is a long story about a series of unfortunate events. So I am using redbook and SACDs to do a comparison. It really is hard though because all of my reference recordings come in the form of an LP. I am familiar with very many CDs but I don't feel I could make a fair comparision without the LPs.

Initial impressions:

Very open and airy,

Unbelievable midrange reality,

A bit thin on the bass compared to the Spectral but that is without hearing LPs and don't know about the synergy with the rest of the rig,

Crystal clear highs.

More to follow.
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  • engtaz
    engtaz Posts: 7,663
    edited August 2007
    Right now I am without my turntable. :mad: That is a long story about a series of unfortunate events.

    So sorry for your loss. You seem to be handling it pretty good. Congrats on the new toy.
    engtaz

    I love how music can brighten up a bad day.
  • amulford
    amulford Posts: 5,020
    edited September 2007
    He's got one, he's just being spoiled...:p
  • fredv
    fredv Posts: 923
    edited September 2007
    How can this be dark with 12 tubes lightning up:-)

    -fredv-
  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited September 2007
    amulford wrote: »
    He's got one, he's just being spoiled...:p

    Ha ha ha, he's right I have three in residence but I want to listen to the best of the three.
  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,068
    edited September 2007
    Joe, it sounds like you found yourself a real winner with that unit. Enjoy!!!
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
  • billbillw
    billbillw Posts: 6,765
    edited September 2007
    Ha ha ha, he's right I have three in residence but I want to listen to the best of the three.

    What happened to your main TT rig anyway? Thought those VPI were bulletproof.
    For rig details, see my profile. Nothing here anymore...
  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited September 2007
    billbillw wrote: »
    What happened to your main TT rig anyway? Thought those VPI were bulletproof.

    It's not the turntable. I was installing a new cartridge and while pushing the cartridge wire clips onto the posts on the tonearm, the two right channel pins receeded into the arm. I successfully pulled one pin out and seated it properly. Now mind you I am leaning back in a chair so I can see through the bifocal. I went to gingerly pull the second post out of the arm and while pulling and leaning back in the chair, the friggin leg of the chair broke under my fat **** :eek: and I ripped the post out of the tonearm leaving the wire broken inside the arm tube.:o :(

    This was just one of a series of unfortunate events that has caused my analog rig to be sidelined for about the past 6 to 8 weeks.:rolleyes:

    I am planning on starting a thread of its own because although these events have cost me lots of money, in retrospect they are a bit on the comical side.:D

    I've contacted Flat Earth Audio, the SME dealer on the East Coast and was referred to Sumiko on the West Coast. If I go with Sumiko for the arm repair (it has to be shipped back to SME in England) it is going to be very very expensive. I went back to FEA and they are going to take care of getting the arm repaired in England and a substantialy lower price. Still in all lots of mulla flying out my front door.
  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited September 2007
    A first listen to the right tube setup is kind of like listening to sda's for the first time.

    What brand of tubes are you using?

    12at7's and 12ax7's are good candidates for tube rolling.
  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited September 2007
    In the line stage there are;

    4 - JAN 12AT7 WC, Phillips ECG

    2- 7025/12AX7 WA, Made in Russia Sovtek

    In the phono stage there are;

    4- 12AX7 China

    2- JAN 12AT7 WC, Phillips ECG

    All this is greek to me.

    F1Nut has been turning me on to tube site where I could purchase some tubes that may be more bass rich. Any information or experience you guys can send my way would be of great help to me.
  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited September 2007
    Congrats on the new pre.
    Condolences on the busted tonearm.
    Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country!
  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited September 2007
    Thanks R. that tonearm problem is driving me ****!
  • billbillw
    billbillw Posts: 6,765
    edited September 2007
    That's sucks dude, but it seems like that kinda **** happens with vinyl rigs a lot. They are so damn delicate, combined with Murphy's Law. I've definetly had my share of snafus setting up the various tables over the last couple years, mainly with that Oracle I had. That's why I'm glad to be at a comfortable plateau with my vinyl rig. No changes anytime in the near future. Sounds like you need some of those binocular/microscope glasses for working on this stuff, like the ones jewelers use. ;)

    http://www.jewelrysupply.com/magnifiers/headband_magnifiers_optivisor.html
    It's not the turntable. I was installing a new cartridge and while pushing the cartridge wire clips onto the posts on the tonearm, the two right channel pins receeded into the arm. I successfully pulled one pin out and seated it properly. Now mind you I am leaning back in a chair so I can see through the bifocal. I went to gingerly pull the second post out of the arm and while pulling and leaning back in the chair, the friggin leg of the chair broke under my fat **** :eek: and I ripped the post out of the tonearm leaving the wire broken inside the arm tube.:o :(

    This was just one of a series of unfortunate events that has caused my analog rig to be sidelined for about the past 6 to 8 weeks.:rolleyes:

    I am planning on starting a thread of its own because although these events have cost me lots of money, in retrospect they are a bit on the comical side.:D
    For rig details, see my profile. Nothing here anymore...
  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited September 2007
    billbillw wrote: »
    That's sucks dude, but it seems like that kinda **** happens with vinyl rigs a lot. They are so damn delicate, combined with Murphy's Law. I've definetly had my share of snafus setting up the various tables over the last couple years, mainly with that Oracle I had. That's why I'm glad to be at a comfortable plateau with my vinyl rig. No changes anytime in the near future. Sounds like you need some of those binocular/microscope glasses for working on this stuff, like the ones jewelers use. ;)

    http://www.jewelrysupply.com/magnifiers/headband_magnifiers_optivisor.html

    Trust me I have two jewelers loops!:eek: I just have to dig them up.:D

    I just checked that site, they have one for 30 bucks. . .hmmmmmmmm
  • billbillw
    billbillw Posts: 6,765
    edited September 2007
    Trust me I have two jewelers loops!:eek: I just have to dig them up.:D

    I just checked that site, they have one for 30 bucks. . .hmmmmmmmm

    Yeah, its something I'm thinking about getting. (I have no idea if that website is the best place to get one, it just came up in a Google search at the top)

    Nothing worse than not being able to see what the hell you are working on. I have a huge magnifying glass that I break out sometimes, but it ends up using one free hand. Kinda tough to do any work like that.
    For rig details, see my profile. Nothing here anymore...
  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited September 2007
    Can't let it be depressing Sal, **** happens! BTW most Beatles albums are recorded horribly. The new rereleases are the ones to purchase and of course you have to buy "LOVE."
  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited September 2007
    In the line stage there are;

    4 - JAN 12AT7 WC, Phillips ECG

    2- 7025/12AX7 WA, Made in Russia Sovtek

    In the phono stage there are;

    4- 12AX7 China

    2- JAN 12AT7 WC, Phillips ECG

    All this is greek to me.

    F1Nut has been turning me on to tube site where I could purchase some tubes that may be more bass rich. Any information or experience you guys can send my way would be of great help to me.

    I would recommend all telefunken in the line stage to see if you like them. The ecc83's (12ax7) can be had for roughly $40 each on ebay and the ecc81's (12at7) are cheaper at about $35 each.
  • Shizelbs
    Shizelbs Posts: 7,433
    edited September 2007
    Cool preamp. Rock on.
  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited September 2007
    This friggin thing sounds awesome. My wife just got listening to some Janet Jackson and man the clarity is startling! No thin bass on the JJ stuff that's for sure.