My 2 Channel Rig has sounded better . . .
SolidSqual
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Just started law school after a hectic move to a new apartment. Yesterday I decided to setup my 2 Channel Rig for some deserved relaxation. The room is considerably larger than my previous listening space. The dimensions are as follows: 16 W X 20 L X 16 H
The walls are a combination of 18 inch thick concrete and drywall. At any rate, the bass is considerably boomy on my Lsi15s and sounds hallow. Pulling the speakers farther from the rear and side walls improved the bass, but narrowed the soundstage a bit.
The overall sound reminds me of a auditorium.
What can I do to economically and effectively tighten the bass and decrease echo/reflection?
HELP!
The walls are a combination of 18 inch thick concrete and drywall. At any rate, the bass is considerably boomy on my Lsi15s and sounds hallow. Pulling the speakers farther from the rear and side walls improved the bass, but narrowed the soundstage a bit.
The overall sound reminds me of a auditorium.
What can I do to economically and effectively tighten the bass and decrease echo/reflection?
HELP!
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SolidSqual wrote: »Just started law school after a hectic move to a new apartment. Yesterday I decided to setup my 2 Channel Rig for some deserved relaxation. The room is considerably larger than my previous listening space. The dimensions are as follows: 16 W X 20 L X 16 H
The walls are a combination of 18 inch thick concrete and drywall. At any rate, the bass is considerably boomy on my Lsi15s and sounds hallow. Pulling the speakers farther from the rear and side walls improved the bass, but narrowed the soundstage a bit.
The overall sound reminds me of a auditorium.
What can I do to economically and effectively tighten the bass and decrease echo/reflection?
HELP!
16 ft. high ceilings are your problem. I have vaulted ceilings in my house and it is also an auditorium. Are you spiking your speakers? Do so if not, that will tighten the bass. Is the room "Live"? To many reflections? Try to deaden the space a bit to minimize refractions.
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Heavy drapes or filled bookcases located behing and beside the speakers should help considerably in removing the boomy bass.
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Try towing in your speakers... and when I say towing them in, I don't mean a couple degrees. You want to first put the speakers at their distance you want them to be apart, and then tow them in almost to where they are pointing right at you. You don't need to pull them from the side walls as much as you do the back, and then tow them in so they are almost facing you. You will need to get some measuring tape to make sure you have everything setup accurately, but this should allow you to keep your speakers apart far enough for a wide soundstage but it should help reflections.
Also, hang rugs, or heavy drapes, and put some stuff in the room to take up space and absorb some sound, or to create a more complicated room. I hung a rug behind me to cover a window, it looks pretty cool and works better than curtains. You will find that if you tow your speakers in enough you can still keep them apart as along as you pull them from the back wall enough. -
Hmmm . . . I think I will try the drapes including hanging a canopy from the sealing. Body Pillows in the corners as bass traps?
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Ick 16ft ceilings not to mention a very square room, 2 dimensions being the same means lots of common modes.
I can't imagine body pillows are going to do much for bass treatments, and drapes won't affect bass at all but they could help with the highs. -
Heavy drapes or filled bookcases located behing and beside the speakers should help considerably in removing the boomy bass.
+1. I have a lofted apartment and bookshelves had tamed the reflections pretty well.
Also, good luck in law school. I'm in my second year. Keep up on your reading and it'll be all good!
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All good suggestions.
Try swapping the speakers, so the woofers fire inward towards each other.
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Definately 2nd the idea of facing the woofers in.
One place to get some good advice would be looking up the process that Wilson Audio installers use for on-site setup. They generally avoid a lot of room treatments in favor of careful speaker placement. -
Thanks for the good tips everyone. I will try swapping the speakers from left to right. I would love to buy acoustic treatments, unfortunately, I have to maintain a careful budget for the next three years else fall hard into debt. Thanks for all your help.
By the way, although I've had some late nights, i"m staying up on my Law School reading. God willing I'll stay out of debt as well.
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Out of curiosity, the Lsi15s are sided speakers, right? Will swapping them from side to side to face the sub on the inside change the mid to high end sound at all? After all the tweeters will be placed closer in. Or is the tweeter placement more for aesthetics?
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It is placed to the side to avoid cancellation at certain frequencies (minor) if placed 'dead center'. In or out on which side doesn't matter, they just mirrored them.Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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Bookshelves at the first reflection points maybe? Cheap.
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UPDATE!
I added a book case behind my right speaker that was booming, added carpet tips, dampened and secured closet doors to prevent vibrating and finally reversed the speakers. Doing all the things beofre reversing the speakers really did quite a bit to tighten the bass up, but reversing the speakers made the low end tighter and harder hitting than I have ever heard before!!!!! I am so pumped. Thanks for all the recommendations.
Oh by the way, just popped in a new pair of GE 6SN7GT NOS tubes into my Rogue Audio Metis. Ahhhhh, I love that sound. -
When I can find the right materials, I will add some sound absorbing materials behind the speakers and reflection points. For now though, I am happy!
