Getting frustrated

heiney9

madmax wrote: »

You have almost the same setup as me. Long and narrow. Mine is a little bigger but same footprint (and I have the 1.2's, not 1C's). I finally resorted to a little toe-in (2 to 5 degrees changed the sound massively) just to tame the SDA. Not recommended, but neither is my room size... For me, the toe-in made the center sound much fuller and made the SDA more realistic. Still not right though.
madmax

One last thing about my room set up, both ends of the wall my couch sits up against are open. One opening goes down a pair of hallways that are perpendicular to each other and the other end opens into the dining room. So my room isn't completely sealed so it helps alot with standing waves, etc.

Sometimes I don't feel I get enough SDA effect, or rather dramatic SDA effect. They could probably stand to be farther apart. The wall they are on is more like 18 feet rather than the 14 feet I mentioned earlier.

H9

heiney9

I have no problem with a huge soundstage both height and width and depth in the center. Unless I move forward of the wall behind me (couch is up against) I don't hear things behind me. If I had to change one thing it would be to have the listening pos. with nothing solid (the wall) directly behind me.

madmax

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heiney9

My brother asked me the other day if I wanted to get a pair of SRS's or 1.2's and I told him for my room size the 1C's are perfect. Anything any bigger and I'd be into diminishing returns for my current room. The big boys would be too much for the room and probably wouldn't sound as good as the 1C's.

H9

hearingimpared

heiney9 wrote: »

My brother asked me the other day if I wanted to get a pair of SRS's or 1.2's and I told him for my room size the 1C's are perfect. Anything any bigger and I'd be into diminishing returns for my current room. The big boys would be too much for the room and probably wouldn't sound as good as the 1C's.

H9

I disagree H9.

All of the SDAs are designed to have pretty much the same setup criteria. The guidelines for the 1.2 TLs are the same for the CRS & CRS+ and the 2.3 tls. All of the SDAs should be at least 3 feet from the side walls, no less than 4 feet apart (although 6 to 8 feet is recommended) and the sweet spot exactly dead center between the speaks as they are apart. The height of the room has no affect due to the radiation pattern according to the user manuals.

My room is not much bigger than yours. It is 19' 8" across and 11' 2" deep. I have the 1.2 tls on the 19' wall, 6' 6" apart, 8" from the back wall (this made the greatest improvement in sound) and my couch (sweet spot) like yours is against the back wall. This is an overstuffed couch and I use four pillows lined up across the top of the couch to keep the back splash effect from happening. The speakers are somewhere in the vicinity of 5' from the side walls.

My imaging and soundstage with most good recordings is pinpoint. Two recordings in particular Billy Joel, "Piano Man" CD, and Springsteen's "Seager Sessions" LP sound like the musicians are in a semi-circle starting to my left and right and going as far back from the bezel of the 1.2tls as 6'. Now I know with the Seager Sessions this is how the musicians were positioned in the room where this live recording was made. So I think the huge 1.2 TLs are doing a great job of imaging in what is not a big room.

IMHO I think if you can get that 3' side wall distance, the 6' apart and the sweet spot as directed by Polk most any SDA will work well.

heiney9

^^ At some point you begin to overload a room with sound, both reflected and direct. I think at a certain point no matter what the speaker is, it can be too much for a given listening space. Perhaps not a low levels but certainly as you increase volume.

SDA is especially critical of reflected and direct sound. Just moving my head forward off the wall behind me makes a noticeable difference. If you have too much sound pressure in a given space soundstage and directional cues begin to break down and you loose your ability to pick out instruments and hear the little nuances in the music.

It is very possible to overload a given space with too much sound.

H9

F1nut

That's why I own 2.3TL's.

reeltrouble1

hmmmmmmmmmm.............off the top, Krell, Plinius,Edge, Classe, Anthem, McCormak may have something.

Eva Manley told me I could use the Stingray with the standard interconnect, I could try it at the Fest when Jesse brings the speaks down.

RT1

schwarcw

heiney9 wrote: »

They could probably stand to be farther apart. The wall they are on is more like 18 feet rather than the 14 feet I mentioned earlier.

H9

Ugh! Put then 8 to 10 ft apart and 8 - 10 ft from your listening pt. I get the bet effect and sq there . More realistic and the volume can be at more intimate levels, voices and image come together a lot better. IMHO.

heiney9

schwarcw wrote: »

Ugh! Put then 8 to 10 ft apart and 8 - 10 ft from your listening pt. I get the bet effect and sq there . More realistic and the volume can be at more intimate levels, voices and image come together a lot better. IMHO.

Room size is roughly 17' x 12'. I have the SDA's on the 17' wall aprox. 7' apart center to center (10" off the wall). I sit a little less tha 9' from the front edge of the speakers dead center. A low boy type unit with components stacked in between the SDA's low enough not to mess with the center imaging.

In one corner I have a curved open shelf unit and in the other I have my TV stand, etc.

This link show's pics of the room and imagine the SDA's about where the 5b's on stands are.

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showpost.php?p=593292&postcount=31

Could I stand to have thme parther apart. If so, they are starting to get pretty close to the shelf and TV stand.


RT1, thanks for giving me some other amp ideas. Classe is on my list. I had an opportunity to buy a Monarchy SM70-Pro but they went very quickly at the ridiculous price they were listed at.

H9

W WALDECKER

heiney9 wrote: »

Room size is roughly 17' x 12'. I have the SDA's on the 17' wall aprox. 7' apart center to center (10" off the wall). I sit a little less tha 9' from the front edge of the speakers dead center. A low boy type unit with components stacked in between the SDA's low enough not to mess with the center imaging.

In one corner I have a curved open shelf unit and in the other I have my TV stand, etc.

This link show's pics of the room and imagine the SDA's about where the 5b's on stands are.

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showpost.php?p=593292&postcount=31

Could I stand to have thme parther apart. If so, they are starting to get pretty close to the shelf and TV stand.


RT1, thanks for giving me some other amp ideas. Classe is on my list. I had an opportunity to buy a Monarchy SM70-Pro but they went very quickly at the ridiculous price they were listed at.

H9

Hey H9,There is a Silver faceplate Belles Reference 350 on Audiogon for $2600.00 used.i dont know what your budget is but it is a $4000.00 retail amp that seldom comes up for sale. 250 wpc @8ohms, 500 wpc @4ohms, 1000 wpc@2ohms. Steve Sammet of SAS Audiolabs is a Electronics Engineer and a Diehard tube purist and he told me that the Belles Ref 350 is the finest sounding SS amplifier that he as ever heard.i am definately considering buying one for myself.thanks and good luck....WCW III

Ricardo

^^^^I second that; the Belles is the last SS amp I'll ever have, and that's a very good price; just make sure that if you get one it has the "soft start", or you have a dedicated 20A circuit just for the amp.