FM antenna recommendations

jimmyzen
jimmyzen Posts: 57
edited August 2007 in Electronics
Does anybody have any recommendations for a decent FM antenna that doesn't require a big tower? I have tried several indoor powered antennae and none have performed well at all. I seem to live in a fringe area of several stations I would like to listen to, but just can't get a good signal indoors. This one caught my attention on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/HDTV-VHF-UHF-FM-OUTDOOR-TV-ANTENNA-amplified-w-ROTOR_W0QQitemZ260142689838QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item260142689838 Does anybody have any experience with this unit? I would also like to keep cost at about $100.00 or less. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
The Beloved System:
Parasound Halo P3 Preamp
Parasound Halo T3 AM/FM Tuner
Grant Audio Tube Buffer
ADC Sound Shaper II IC Graphic Equalizer
Polk XRT12 XM Satellite Radio Receiver
2 Carver TFM 35x Power Amps
Harmon Kardon T45 Turntable w\ Benz MC 20E Phono Cartridge
Vincent Phono Preamp (not enough gain in the Parasound Phono In)
Cambridge Audio 640C V2 CD Player
Nakamichi BX300 Cassette Deck
Polk RTi 12 Main Speakers
2 Polk PSW 1000 Subwoofers
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited July 2007
    Magnum Dynalab.

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    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited July 2007
    In my experience, powered antennas usually only boost noise. You might consider an attic mounted FM antenna from Radio Shack. I know your pain, I'm 75 miles from Tucson, and we have 1 radio station locally which isn't very good.

    Ever considered XM?
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited July 2007
    You don't need a lot of money, ratshack is your best option. I've got a 4ft dipole mounted in the attic pointed sw towards the main radio towers and it's GREAT quality.

    http://www.kyes.com/antenna/antennadex.html

    A MUST read for understanding FM and how antenna work.

    Cheers,
    Russ
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
  • billbillw
    billbillw Posts: 6,896
    edited July 2007
    If you need some gain due to distance (more than 50 miles), then a directional yagi is your best bet. If they are spread out, then a yagi and a rotor is needed. They make "omni-directional" antennas, but they really don't give much gain at all.

    Truthfully, getting any antenna outside the house will help. Even just a simple, homemade 'half-wave dipole" (see Russman's link).

    I'd get one of these and mount somewhere outside. Doesn't have to be on a tower, just on a 5' pole attached to the house somewhere.

    You might be able to find that antenna locally and save on shipping.
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited July 2007
    That's pretty much what I've got Bill.
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited July 2007
    I've got one of the larger Godar antenna's that's sold off of eBay. It's setting on top of my entertainment center in my apt in IL, and I can get WXRT in downtown Chicago in stereo (at night!), and downtown Chicago is about 85 miles away. It's ugly but it works!
    DKG999
    HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED

    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
  • billbillw
    billbillw Posts: 6,896
    edited July 2007
    RuSsMaN wrote: »
    That's pretty much what I've got Bill.

    Yeah, Ratshack used to sell that same antenna (the 6 element yagi). It was on the website for local store only. I searched all over town and couldn't find one, then it disappeared from the Ratshack website all together about a year ago.
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  • jimmyzen
    jimmyzen Posts: 57
    edited July 2007
    Thanks all! I will check all the posts out!
    The Beloved System:
    Parasound Halo P3 Preamp
    Parasound Halo T3 AM/FM Tuner
    Grant Audio Tube Buffer
    ADC Sound Shaper II IC Graphic Equalizer
    Polk XRT12 XM Satellite Radio Receiver
    2 Carver TFM 35x Power Amps
    Harmon Kardon T45 Turntable w\ Benz MC 20E Phono Cartridge
    Vincent Phono Preamp (not enough gain in the Parasound Phono In)
    Cambridge Audio 640C V2 CD Player
    Nakamichi BX300 Cassette Deck
    Polk RTi 12 Main Speakers
    2 Polk PSW 1000 Subwoofers
  • jimmyzen
    jimmyzen Posts: 57
    edited July 2007
    steveinaz wrote: »
    In my experience, powered antennas usually only boost noise. You might consider an attic mounted FM antenna from Radio Shack. I know your pain, I'm 75 miles from Tucson, and we have 1 radio station locally which isn't very good.

    Ever considered XM?

    Absolutely! :):):) I have XM in all 3 vehicles, on my PC, plus the Polk XM receiver on my stereo system. The FM is mainly for local type stuff, work and road closures, listening to the radio broadcast of the Indianapolis Colts games rather than the TV one, plus the IU college radio station has its moments. Mainly, after dropping the cash for my Parasound Halo T3 it would be nice to actually be able to receive something on it ;) !
    The Beloved System:
    Parasound Halo P3 Preamp
    Parasound Halo T3 AM/FM Tuner
    Grant Audio Tube Buffer
    ADC Sound Shaper II IC Graphic Equalizer
    Polk XRT12 XM Satellite Radio Receiver
    2 Carver TFM 35x Power Amps
    Harmon Kardon T45 Turntable w\ Benz MC 20E Phono Cartridge
    Vincent Phono Preamp (not enough gain in the Parasound Phono In)
    Cambridge Audio 640C V2 CD Player
    Nakamichi BX300 Cassette Deck
    Polk RTi 12 Main Speakers
    2 Polk PSW 1000 Subwoofers
  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited July 2007
    Got'cha.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
  • billbillw
    billbillw Posts: 6,896
    edited July 2007
    jimmyzen wrote: »
    Absolutely! :):):) I have XM in all 3 vehicles, on my PC, plus the Polk XM receiver on my stereo system. The FM is mainly for local type stuff, work and road closures, listening to the radio broadcast of the Indianapolis Colts games rather than the TV one, plus the IU college radio station has its moments. Mainly, after dropping the cash for my Parasound Halo T3 it would be nice to actually be able to receive something on it ;) !

    Plus, if you tune into a good local NPR or college station, the sound quality will be noticeably better than XM. The mainstream commercial stations compress their stuff so bad, its hardly worth listening, but the small stations still value the sound quality.
    For rig details, see my profile. Nothing here anymore...
  • jimmyzen
    jimmyzen Posts: 57
    edited August 2007
    billbillw wrote: »
    Plus, if you tune into a good local NPR or college station, the sound quality will be noticeably better than XM. The mainstream commercial stations compress their stuff so bad, its hardly worth listening, but the small stations still value the sound quality.


    Interesting! I wasn't aware of that. I could barely take the mainstream FM format anymore after getting to XM.

    On a side note about XM and Sirius merging- I was listening to a panel discussion hosted by a bookclub (?!) about the merger. One of the executives from Sirius was there as the main speaker. I didn't hear the entire thing but the part I did hear kinda concerned me. According to this gent, the companies planned to offer tiered programming starting at $6.99 and going up from there. During a Q & A session a person asked if the existing satellite receivers already on the market would be compatible with the combined programming and tiered structure. The answer was "No." :eek: The Sirius rep said that new receivers would need to be purchased and went on to speak about how there are now and would continue to be many low priced units available so it wouldn't present too big a problem to the consumer. Well, for someone like me with 3 mobile units, two portable units, a PC unit, and a high end unit that all adds up! :mad: What wasn't asked and he did not say was whether existing units where the owners wanted the full subscription package would remain usable both with the combined programming. Or become obsolete. I had previously listened to the testimony about the merger that was presented to a Congressional panel and the XM official who testified said that there would be no equipment -receivers- that would become obsolete when/if the two merged. Something doesn't seem 100% accurate between these two statements. I would like to hear some more about this if anybody has any other information. This area of the forum may not be appropriate to this discussion so I apologize in advance for bringing it up here if it is. If so, if someone would kindly redirect this discussion to the appropriate area I would like to continue it. :)
    The Beloved System:
    Parasound Halo P3 Preamp
    Parasound Halo T3 AM/FM Tuner
    Grant Audio Tube Buffer
    ADC Sound Shaper II IC Graphic Equalizer
    Polk XRT12 XM Satellite Radio Receiver
    2 Carver TFM 35x Power Amps
    Harmon Kardon T45 Turntable w\ Benz MC 20E Phono Cartridge
    Vincent Phono Preamp (not enough gain in the Parasound Phono In)
    Cambridge Audio 640C V2 CD Player
    Nakamichi BX300 Cassette Deck
    Polk RTi 12 Main Speakers
    2 Polk PSW 1000 Subwoofers
  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited August 2007
    Interesting as what I heard no changes and our current receivers where ok, now I'm hearing tiered programming also. And what I fear is if we can use the older receiver like the Polk XM receiver is pricing going to be too high as this would be a full programming receiver?

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited August 2007
    I wouldn't worry about it too much as they will be bound in some way shape or form to provide service for previous customers. There will most likely be a time limit imposed for customers to switchover.

    I don't have any ideas about the tiered programming and will worry about that later.

    It will probably be much like the Verizon Wireless/On-Star ruling by the FCC.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • jimmyzen
    jimmyzen Posts: 57
    edited August 2007
    I bought a half wave dipole that looks like 2 car antennas end to end. I mounted it vertically on a 20 foot tall pole. It works wonderfully and I have never had the reception I have now and I have lived in the same place for 27 years! I got it on eBay for $39.00 plus shipping.

    After seeing it I could have made one fairly easily. It consists of a piece of 3/8" round stock about 4" long as the main part. This piece is drilled into each end to allow insertion of the 1/8" diameter 4' long antenna poles. A perpendicular positioned set screw locked each pole into place when they were inserted. The 3/8" piece was also drilled through its thickness about an inch towards each end to accomodate a nut and screw that the 300 ohm to co-ax adapter fork terminals attach. The 3/8" piece is inserted through and glued (pressed?) through a 1/2" square, 12" long plastic bar. The bar is drilled on the end opposite the antenna for the U bolt to pass through. There were two sets of holes so the antenna could be mounted horizontally and vertically. Fairly simple!

    It works well and is isn't very obvious so it blends well with its surroundings.
    All together, I dropped about $125.00 for the antenna, 2 10' poles, brackets and 75' of RG6 co-ax. I also installed a Terk outside XM antenna on the same pole and it helped my XM reception a bunch. The Terk was about $60.00 plus about $50.00 for another 75' of RG 6 co-ax.
    The Beloved System:
    Parasound Halo P3 Preamp
    Parasound Halo T3 AM/FM Tuner
    Grant Audio Tube Buffer
    ADC Sound Shaper II IC Graphic Equalizer
    Polk XRT12 XM Satellite Radio Receiver
    2 Carver TFM 35x Power Amps
    Harmon Kardon T45 Turntable w\ Benz MC 20E Phono Cartridge
    Vincent Phono Preamp (not enough gain in the Parasound Phono In)
    Cambridge Audio 640C V2 CD Player
    Nakamichi BX300 Cassette Deck
    Polk RTi 12 Main Speakers
    2 Polk PSW 1000 Subwoofers