order?

JimBRICK
JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
edited June 2007 in 2 Channel Audio
What is the best order buying when starting a real 2 channel rig??

Speakers, power, components?

Whats happening right now is that my wife was offered a very good job in another city so we may be moving. So I figure sell all my equipment so we have less to move and then when we get there, just go with a nice 2 channel rig instead of a home theater for now.

Funny thing is that I just bought the house 2 months ago and its already going to be back on the market. The sales agent says that we can get 8000 more than what we paid cause the market in this town is so wild right now.

Also,

The town we are going to is alot bigger with more dealers for equipment, I might finally get those B&W speakers I want
2 CHANNEL
Speaker - Klipsch Heresy II
Under construction
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited June 2007
    You are confusing me Jim. Since you will be starting from scratch, you will need all components at the same time. Good luck with the sale of the house.

    By the way, we are still pissed off at you for announcing that Polk was gonna reintroduce the SDA's!:p :rolleyes:
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • JimBRICK
    JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
    edited June 2007
    LOL geez you guys hold a grudge,

    Yeah I'm starting from scratch and what to know where I should start. I figure if I start with the power end I can build out from there, or should I start with a good speaker?
    2 CHANNEL
    Speaker - Klipsch Heresy II
    Under construction
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  • skipf
    skipf Posts: 694
    edited June 2007
    great speakers + average amp = fair music. Great amp + average speakers = fair music. Kind of a catch 22. If it were me, I'd buy the best new speakers I could afford and get a used quality amp to push 'em until I could get the amp of my dreams.
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  • dohcmark8
    dohcmark8 Posts: 229
    edited June 2007
    I'd get the best speaker you can afford. And then build up on the power end from there.
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  • ESavinon
    ESavinon Posts: 3,066
    edited June 2007
    50% of your budject should go to the speakers.
    25% to the amplifier.
    15% to the preamp.
    10% to the source (cd player,turntable, etc).
    After you recover from your main purchases you should start all over.
    75% cables/interconnects.
    15% tweaks.
    10% music.
    you may ask: Why only 10% for music? This amount should me allocated from your salary as a music tax for the sole purpose for buying music for life.
    SRT For Life; SDA Forever!

    The SRT SEISMIC System:
    Four main satellite speakers, six powered subs, two dedicated for LFE channel, two center speakers for over/under screen placement and three Control Centers. Amaze your friends, terrorize your neighbors, seize the audio bragging rights for your state. Go ahead, buy it; you only go around once.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited June 2007
    For me, personally, the source. I'd find the best source I could possibly get my ears on and start with that. A favorite saying of mine is..."You can't make chicken soup out of chicken ****." Think about that phrase for a while and how that phrase would be true in audio. It is always up to you, though.

    Entertain the thought of a universal player, so that you can hear the benefits of SACD, if you don't already. Research into getting one that's good on both redbook and SACD.

    My 2 cents.......
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited June 2007
    If you start with the speaks, what are you going to drive them with? If you start with power what are you going to listen to it with?.

    At the very min. you need power, pre, source, speaks and then cables to connect it all with. I don't understand your question? :confused:

    Unless you are going to buy a piece at a time and stick it in a closet until you have everything. Even then, it doesn't matter what you buy first because you can't play it until it's all together.

    It's like asking; I'm selling my old car so I need to get a new one, should I buy the tires or tranny or seats or steering wheel first? Then what's next.....

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited June 2007
    ESAVINON wrote: »
    50% of your budject should go to the speakers.
    25% to the amplifier.
    15% to the preamp.
    10% to the source (cd player,turntable, etc).
    After you recover from your main purchases you should start all over.
    75% cables/interconnects.
    15% tweaks.
    10% music.
    you may ask: Why only 10% for music? This amount should me allocated from your salary as a music tax for the sole purpose for buying music for life.

    Nope. Each piece is as important as the next. The percentages are wha's off to me. Only 10% on a source? The pre and amp are essentially as important as the speaks.

    75% on IC and cables when only 10% was spent on a source :confused: :eek:

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • JimBRICK
    JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
    edited June 2007
    this is my idea cause I was in sudbury a month ago looking and heard all of these

    B&W 683
    http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/display.aspx?infid=2281&terid=2284&sc=hf
    Jolida JD 1501 rc
    http://www.jolida.com/catalogue/models/jd1501rc.shtml
    Jolida JD 100A
    http://www.jolida.com/catalogue/models/jd100a.shtml

    Havent found a turntable yet
    2 CHANNEL
    Speaker - Klipsch Heresy II
    Under construction
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited June 2007
    I would get the best used amp I could afford. Later on, it will retain almost all of its value in case you change your direction. And, you can hook any crappy speaker and cd player up to it for the time being.
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • ESavinon
    ESavinon Posts: 3,066
    edited June 2007
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Nope. Each piece is as important as the next. The percentages are wha's off to me. Only 10% on a source? The pre and amp are essentially as important as the speaks.

    75% on IC and cables when only 10% was spent on a source :confused: :eek:

    H9

    We are working with 100% of a given budject.
    Not everyone can afford to spend $4000.00 on a source if their budject is $5 grand.
    SRT For Life; SDA Forever!

    The SRT SEISMIC System:
    Four main satellite speakers, six powered subs, two dedicated for LFE channel, two center speakers for over/under screen placement and three Control Centers. Amaze your friends, terrorize your neighbors, seize the audio bragging rights for your state. Go ahead, buy it; you only go around once.
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  • ESavinon
    ESavinon Posts: 3,066
    edited June 2007
    Besides, the source is always the 1st item to be replaced once upgradeitis sets in.
    Once you start a new budject, you can always allocate 100% of the budject to a single item or break it down into percentages like i previously wrote.
    SRT For Life; SDA Forever!

    The SRT SEISMIC System:
    Four main satellite speakers, six powered subs, two dedicated for LFE channel, two center speakers for over/under screen placement and three Control Centers. Amaze your friends, terrorize your neighbors, seize the audio bragging rights for your state. Go ahead, buy it; you only go around once.
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  • Music Joe
    Music Joe Posts: 459
    edited June 2007
    Conscience of the room it's going into, buy the most speaker you can afford with the sound you want.
    "The Web is a monoblog"
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  • engtaz
    engtaz Posts: 7,663
    edited June 2007
    JimBRICK wrote: »
    this is my idea cause I was in sudbury a month ago looking and heard all of these

    B&W 683
    http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/display.aspx?infid=2281&terid=2284&sc=hf
    Jolida JD 1501 rc
    http://www.jolida.com/catalogue/models/jd1501rc.shtml
    Jolida JD 100A
    http://www.jolida.com/catalogue/models/jd100a.shtml

    Havent found a turntable yet

    They all look like they will be very good for you. The 683 look a little like Tylers mids.
    engtaz

    I love how music can brighten up a bad day.
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  • JimBRICK
    JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
    edited June 2007
    I wish I could afford 800 or 700 series but I'm not putting 4000 out on speakers just yet
    2 CHANNEL
    Speaker - Klipsch Heresy II
    Under construction
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited June 2007
    JimBRICK wrote: »
    this is my idea cause I was in sudbury a month ago looking and heard all of these

    B&W 683
    http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/display.aspx?infid=2281&terid=2284&sc=hf
    Jolida JD 1501 rc
    http://www.jolida.com/catalogue/models/jd1501rc.shtml
    Jolida JD 100A
    http://www.jolida.com/catalogue/models/jd100a.shtml

    Havent found a turntable yet

    So I take it you've done a full demo and this is what you have choosen? If you haven't really listened to this gear just be aware B & W is a like it or hate it kind of sound. Make sure and take your time and really figure out what sound you want. It will save many hassels and disappointemtns in the end.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • duksbak
    duksbak Posts: 134
    edited June 2007
    Funny...

    This thread seems to be turning into a "chicken or the egg" debate.

    What came first, the speakers or the power?
    Television: Mitsubishi WD-57732
    Front R/L: Polkaudio RTiA7
    Center: Polkaudio CSiA4
    Rear R/L: Polkaudio FXiA4
    Subwoofer: Polkaudio DSW600
    A/V Reciever: Denon 2808
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  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited June 2007
    I guess everyone has their own ideas and methodology with this, but I purchased the speakers first. Then I defined what gear would result in the best synergy with those speakers from people who had experience with the speakers.
    Michael ;)
    In the beginning, all knowledge was new!
    NORTH of 60°
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited June 2007
    Chicken or the egg? Yes, this thread has a familiarity to it.

    I was suggesting the source first, so that Jim could enjoy music on a pair of headphones while he built his system. Of course with a Rega Apollo, for example, he'd be screwed.

    By the way, it was obviously the egg!:rolleyes:
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited June 2007
    Hands down, buy the speakers first.

    I'm not going to come out and say that one component is more important than another, 'cause it's all synergy. But your speakers have the biggest affect on the sound your system is going to make. Of course amps and pre's and sources affect the sound, but not as much as the speaker.

    Why does that mean you should get the speaker first? Because of synergy. If you get an amp and pre first, then get your speaker that you auditioned forever and a day for an are in love with, who knows if they'll match up nicely?

    Therefore, I say, listen to speaker after speaker after speaker, find out what it is you're looking for in music, what your emphasis is, buy a speaker based on that that appeases you, then go about choosing the amp, preamp, and source such that they all have great synergy.

    My .02, anyways.
    George Grand wrote: »
    Jstas wrote: »
    Simple question. If you had a cool million bucks, what would you do with it?
    Wonder WTF happened to the rest of my money.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited June 2007
    audiobliss wrote: »
    Hands down, buy the speakers first.

    I'm not going to come out and say that one component is more important than another, 'cause it's all synergy. But your speakers have the biggest affect on the sound your system is going to make. Of course amps and pre's and sources affect the sound, but not as much as the speaker.
    Great advice
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited June 2007
    I rather thought so. :D
    George Grand wrote: »
    Jstas wrote: »
    Simple question. If you had a cool million bucks, what would you do with it?
    Wonder WTF happened to the rest of my money.
    In Use
    PS3, Yamaha CDR-HD1300, Plex, Amazon Fire TV Gen 2
    Pioneer Elite VSX-52, Parasound HCA-1000A
    Klipsch RF-82ii, RC-62ii, RS-42ii, RW-10d
    Epson 8700UB
    In Storage
    [Home Audio]
    Rotel RCD-02, Yamaha KX-W900U, Sony ST-S500ES, Denon DP-7F
    Pro-Ject Phono Box MKII, Parasound P/HP-850, ASL Wave 20 monoblocks
    Klipsch RF-35, RB-51ii
    [Car Audio]
    Pioneer Premier DEH-P860MP, Memphis 16-MCA3004, Boston Acoustic RC520
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