Great tweak for HK owners

Ern Dog
Ern Dog Posts: 2,237
edited March 2007 in Electronics
I'm so stoked on this cheap tweak, I just have to share it for those who aren't doing this already....

I've always had my universal Onkie dvd/cd player hooked to my HK via toslink then played cd's using stereo mode. Today I hooked it up the Onkie via quality RCA cables (signal cables), in stereo mode, but switched the DSP mode off. WOW, what a huge difference turning the DSP off does. The HK won't allow you to turn DSP off using a digital input, only analog. It has totally opened up the whole system. I never realized how congested and muffled my system sounded until now! Try it.
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  • Dennis Gardner
    Dennis Gardner Posts: 4,861
    edited March 2007
    Nice find..........next step is a tube preamp. No contest for me between my HK and my tube preamps. I still use the HK for movies, but for 2 ch. SACD/CD/Phono sessions, no contest.
    HT Optoma HD25 LV on 80" DIY Screen, Anthem MRX 300 Receiver, Pioneer Elite BDP 51FD Polk CS350LS, Polk SDA1C, Polk FX300, Polk RT55, Dual EBS Adire Shiva 320watt tuned to 17hz, ICs-DIY Twisted Prs, Speaker-Raymond Cable

    2 Channel Thorens TD 318 Grado ZF1, SACD/CD Marantz 8260, Soundstream/Krell DAC1, Audio Mirror PP1, Odyssey Stratos, ADS L-1290, ICs-DIY Twisted , Speaker-Raymond Cable
  • Lowell_M
    Lowell_M Posts: 1,660
    edited March 2007
    I guess I'm not sure what you are saying here Dog. What DSP mode are you talking about?

    I think what you are comparing is simply the difference between the H/K DAC and the DAC in your Onkyo.
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    Velodyne CHT-12
    H/K AVR-247
    ADCOM GFA-7000
    Samsung PN58B860
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    Nakamichi CA-5 Pre
    ADCOM GFA-555
    Signal Cable Analog II IC's
    Signal Ultra Bi-Wire Speaker Cables
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,020
    edited March 2007
    a_mattison wrote:
    I guess I'm not sure what you are saying here Dog. What DSP mode are you talking about?

    I think what you are comparing is simply the difference between the H/K DAC and the DAC in your Onkyo.


    BINGO !!
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  • Lowell_M
    Lowell_M Posts: 1,660
    edited March 2007
    The DAC in my CDP sucks. I much prefer the h/k.
    HT
    RTi70 mains
    CSi30 center
    RTi28 Rears
    Velodyne CHT-12
    H/K AVR-247
    ADCOM GFA-7000
    Samsung PN58B860
    Playstation 3

    2-Channel
    Polk Audio LSi15's
    Rotel RCD-1072
    Nakamichi CA-5 Pre
    ADCOM GFA-555
    Signal Cable Analog II IC's
    Signal Ultra Bi-Wire Speaker Cables
  • AndyGwis
    AndyGwis Posts: 3,655
    edited March 2007
    Would the DACs in my Toshiba HD-XA1 be better? I've always used digital coax connection for music and movies because it had better bass management.

    I guess I can go with the 5.1 analog outs and go with direct (6/8 channel analog in) on the HK.
    Stereo Rig: Hales Revelation 3, Musical Fidelity CD-Pre 24, Forte Model 3 amp, Lexicon RT-10 SACD, MMF-5 w/speedbox, Forte Model 2 Phono Pre, Cardas Crosslink, APC H15, URC MX-950, Lovan Stand
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited March 2007
    There's a huge difference between analog and digital connection for me as well. I listen to all 2 channel via the 6/8ch input rather than Stereo, which sounds like the soundstage is cut in half.

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
  • Ern Dog
    Ern Dog Posts: 2,237
    edited March 2007
    a_mattison wrote:
    I guess I'm not sure what you are saying here Dog. What DSP mode are you talking about?

    I think what you are comparing is simply the difference between the H/K DAC and the DAC in your Onkyo.


    No that's not it. Because what I'm experiencing is happening even when I'm just listening to the tuner w/no DACs involved.

    Let me explain more. When listening to the tuner in stereo mode, keep pressing the "stereo" button on the remote and it gives you 3 options: 5 channel stereo, stereo+DSP or stereo (pure). I didn't know I had this last option until just recently. So then I tried to listen in pure mode to my CDP, but couldn't do it using an optical cable. With an optical input it only gave me 2 options: 5 ch stereo or stereo+DSP. I added RCA cables and changed the input to analog and problem solved. You'll know when the DSP is on because there is a "DSP" indicator lit up on the display. It is literally a night and day difference with it on and off.


    I agree that the DACs are different between the cdp and HK, but this difference is barely noticeable in my system to my ears.
  • Ern Dog
    Ern Dog Posts: 2,237
    edited March 2007
    Ron Temple wrote:
    There's a huge difference between analog and digital connection for me as well. I listen to all 2 channel via the 6/8ch input rather than Stereo, which sounds like the soundstage is cut in half.

    I tried the 6/8 input too and found I lost my sub. I'd need to add a splitter to add my sub into the 6/8 inputs.
  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited March 2007
    Ern Dog wrote:
    I tried the 6/8 input too and found I lost my sub. I'd need to add a splitter to add my sub into the 6/8 inputs.
    Yep...you lose the sub unless it's MCH. I don't mind with the SDAs as sometimes the sub's too much.

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
  • rt7s
    rt7s Posts: 29
    edited March 2007