Silent Speakers

VR3
VR3 Posts: 28,650
edited February 2007 in 2 Channel Audio
Thats possibly the craziest thing Ive ever heard.







I love it.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited February 2007
    You're a classic case of the "think too much" crowd. No offense, but relax and unless it's actually audible, don't worry about it.

    I have a small fridge, wired in series, with my 2CH rig and haven't heard a peep.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited February 2007
    I try to maintain a constant flow of beer out of the fridge; that seems to help not listening to any noise.
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited February 2007
    Hey Sona --

    That's a great idea. I also turn off my heat or AC before listening to music. It is foolish to buy all of this expensive audio gear and screw up your listening pleasure by tolerating a noisy environment.

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  • snow
    snow Posts: 4,337
    edited February 2007
    Sona wrote:
    Just curious, particularly for those of you who have attained the goal of eradicating white noise and equipment hum, have you also created a silent listening space? (Sound proofed walls, radiant heat vs. forced air, ultra quiet appliances, etc.?)

    When I was listening critically to the RTi8’s I test drove, I turned off the heat, tripped the circuit breaker to silence the fridge, and unplugged other humming electronics. Best I could manage at the time, but it’s certainly not a livable option!

    Sona
    Nope I figure at the decibel level I listen to, I cant hear anything but music anyways. If you can hear the fridge when your listening to music then either the music is way to low or you have one helluva noisy fridge :D :eek: :D

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  • Gaara
    Gaara Posts: 2,415
    edited February 2007
    Plus if you are a believer in power conditioning I believe it would help in this aspect to. Turning of appliances like a fridge or ac will draw less power overall (not much of a difference) but will also eliminate any junk added to the line from compressors cycling.

    I turn the ac off when listening for three reasons. First it is audible as I don't listen to music very loud. Second the unit is outside of my room, so I can hear it running. Third when it kicks on and off the lights dim and the music gets quieter and compressed for a sec or so.

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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited February 2007
    There are many jazz and classical music tunes that have such a wide dynamic range that can sound better with a low noise background. When I remodeled by listening room in the 80s I put in new windows to reduce the road noise. I can also here the furnace coming on and off. Yet I can hear no improvemnet or difference with expensive cables or line cords.

    The total listening enviroment is a very important factor to the listening experience in my experience.
  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited February 2007
    Background Sound Enviroment in cars for example sucks. I couldn't really listen to any music that had a large dynamic range in the car. I gave up on quality car audio in the 80s because of the background noise.

    Maybe I should get a quieter car.
  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited February 2007
    I too think the room environment plays a great role in sound quality. When I listen, I turn off the A/C or heat, because either seems to cause noise in my system (especially the A/C).

    The A/C unit is on a dedicated circuit and my system is on its own dedicated circuit too, but somehow the cycling of the compressor causes my system to have more background noise.

    I have tried power conditioners which have helped, but did not eliminate the problem. The best solution was to just turn off the A/C.
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  • capecodder
    capecodder Posts: 613
    edited February 2007
    dorokusai wrote:
    I have a small fridge, wired in series, with my 2CH rig and haven't heard a peep.

    Mark- You really ought to add power conditioning to this set up though. The ice will form much faster, will have better crystaline structure and will also last much longer in your Jack Daniels.:rolleyes:
  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited February 2007
    I shut off the AC sometimes because I can hear it blowing. I also turn off any dimmer controls just in case there is something there that would annoy me. (even though I don't hear anything). I don't turn off the fridge any more since forgetting about it once.
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  • jakelm
    jakelm Posts: 4,081
    edited February 2007
    snow wrote:
    Nope I figure at the decibel level I listen to, I cant hear anything but music anyways. If you can hear the fridge when your listening to music then either the music is way to low or you have one helluva noisy fridge :D :eek: :D

    REGARDS SNOW

    LOL...I'm with you buddy...sometimes its hard to hear myself think..much less the fridge...:D

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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited February 2007
    The battery chagers for you drill are very noisy. They can make a buzz every 2 seconds.
  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited February 2007
    capecodder wrote:
    Mark- You really ought to add power conditioning to this set up though. The ice will form much faster, will have better crystaline structure and will also last much longer in your Jack Daniels.:rolleyes:

    I have all my hardcore power conditioning gear ON the fridge! No need to waste that stuff on audio gear :) Ice never looked or tasted better.
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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited February 2007
    dorokusai wrote:
    Ice never looked or tasted better.

    Was this determined after a grueling series of double-blind tests? Do you have graphs and/or charts or am I supposed to take your word for it?:D
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,034
    edited February 2007
    Sona wrote:
    When I was listening critically to the RTi8’s I test drove, I turned off the heat, tripped the circuit breaker to silence the fridge, and unplugged other humming electronics. Best I could manage at the time, but it’s certainly not a livable option!
    Agreed and your are as anal as I am, it looks like.:eek: My next step will be to go to XLR cables because from what I have heard from some highly respected and knowledgable folk, the extra ground wire is isolated from the negative path, cancelling out the interference noise. I have tried a Richard Grey RGPC 400 Pro with better results as to the system shutting the [censored] up, but still I have "that noise". [not to mention better sound] All of my low power and digital components are plugged into a Monster Power HTS 1600, and then plugged into the RG 400 pro, then into the outlet.

    You would think I would have enough protection. Nope.

    I have tried what you have done and even gotten more anal when I tapped a empty neighbors house with no appliances installed whatsoever, and the noise was still present. This has been a quest of mine for some time, and I keep losing. However I will not quit. One day, man.......one day.

    My biggest problem is dirty power installed by crappola electricians who don't care to come back to correct the problem [buttmunches] and not having a dedicated 20 amp line set up just for the rig. I wish you luck in your quest!
    I hope this helps.
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  • MillerLiteScott
    MillerLiteScott Posts: 2,561
    edited February 2007
    dorokusai wrote:
    You're a classic case of the "think too much" crowd. No offense, but relax and unless it's actually audible, don't worry about it.

    I have a small fridge, wired in series, with my 2CH rig and haven't heard a peep.


    Yeah but you have Maye brass points coupling it to the slab.:rolleyes:
    I like speakers that are bigger than a small refrigerator but smaller than a big refrigerator:D
  • MillerLiteScott
    MillerLiteScott Posts: 2,561
    edited February 2007
    HTrookie wrote:
    I try to maintain a constant flow of beer out of the fridge; that seems to help not listening to any noise.

    I think you and I would get along swimmingly:D
    I like speakers that are bigger than a small refrigerator but smaller than a big refrigerator:D
  • Music Joe
    Music Joe Posts: 459
    edited February 2007
    Yep an almost ideal lisening space. Absolutely silent room. If the system is on I can really turn up a quietpassage of music and just faintly hear amp hiss with my ear directly near tweeter.The room can be sealed off from the home. I listen often at very low levels.
  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited February 2007
    You bring up some valid points. I have a house with a great room that consist of the livingroom/dining room/kitchen all in a single shared space. My biggest demon is the damn dishwasher!! LOL
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  • markmarc
    markmarc Posts: 2,309
    edited February 2007
    There are a number of companies that offer power conditioners at reasonable prices. Right now I'm checking out the PS Audio Noise Harvester, but over time I'm going to try and check out as many different possibilities as I can.
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