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  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited February 2007
    dane_peterson wrote:
    I would not buy it just because it's on sale either.

    Would you guys simply not purchase an amp because it's on sale? I bought a couple amps "on sale" off Ebay, and I couldn't be any happier!

    Hell, I even like the fact that it's refurbished! I think the amps are more reliable now than they are new, the problem is fixed if it had one?

    Mike
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  • dane_peterson
    dane_peterson Posts: 1,903
    edited February 2007
    I think what he was saying is "don't buy something just because it's on sale".

    Either way, good deal on a lot of power, bottom line. If I had $700, I'd probably buy it anyway, even if I didn't need it. I could do a comparison between it and the Sunfire.
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  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited February 2007
    dane_peterson wrote:
    I think what he was saying is "don't buy something just because it's on sale".

    Either way, good deal on a lot of power, bottom line. If I had $700, I'd probably buy it anyway, even if I didn't need it. I could do a comparison between it and the Sunfire.

    :confused: Pretty damn tempting, Hmmmmm..... What to do, what to do?? I'd love to do a comparison with my Monster amps, if I didn't like it I think I could always get my money back on the "bay"?
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  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited February 2007
    McLoki wrote:
    Sounds almost like a digital amp or at least a carver design. Either way - that is a ton of power for not alot of money. If I needed an amp and didn't have a bunch of cash I would certainly give them a try. (hell get 2 and you end up with 8 chanels of high power amplification for only $1200.) - perfect for 7.1 with a DIY sub.

    Also note that the description starts with the sentance save $600. I would guess from that the normal price is $1299.

    Michael

    Hello Michael,

    I think you are right... I'm going to do a little more investigating on this on Google to see what I come up with? I might just give this one a try?

    Here it is on the website itself, http://us.marantz.com/Products/608.asp

    Mike
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited February 2007
    MikeC78 wrote:
    Hello Michael,

    I think you are right... I'm going to do a little more investigating on this on Google to see what I come up with? I might just give this one a try?

    Here it is on the website itself, http://us.marantz.com/Products/608.asp

    Mike

    Focus man - if you need the amp fine, but save your pennies for the new SVS Ultra sub.

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited February 2007
    McLoki wrote:
    Focus man - if you need the amp fine, but save your pennies for the new SVS Ultra sub.

    Michael

    :D LOL!! Yeah, yeah, yeah... Just sparked an interest that's all...

    You are right once again, I'd rather save for the new PCU's!:)
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  • donedroolin
    donedroolin Posts: 225
    edited February 2007
    I have only had my Lsi 15's and Lsic for about two months now. I am using Parasounds C-2 controller and the A-51 amp and these speakers sound awsome. I think the amp puts out 400 watts into 8 ohms. Works Great.
    TV- 52 inch LCD SONY BRAVIA XBR6
    TV- 42 inch PLASMA HITACHI ULTRA VISION
    AMP- PARASOUND HALO A-51
    CONTROLLER- PARASOUND HALO C-2
    FRONT SPEAKERS- LSi15's and LSiC
    REAR SPEAKERS- LSi7's
    SUBWOOFER- VELODYNE DD15
    BLU RAY- LG SUPER BLU BH200
    BLU RAY- SONY BDPS350
    GAME SYSTEM- NINTENDO Wii
    MONSTER POWER CONDITIONER
    WIRES- AUDIO QUEST and MONSTER
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited February 2007
    MikeC78 wrote:
    :D LOL!! Yeah, yeah, yeah... Just sparked an interest that's all...

    You are right once again, I'd rather save for the new PCU's!:)
    Your wife is going to have to put you at work soon. It seems to be very expensive keeping you at home all day... :D:D

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • donedroolin
    donedroolin Posts: 225
    edited February 2007
    Hey sorry I messed up the A-51 is 250 watts into 8 ohms and for the Lsi's that are 4 ohms it will put out 400 watts into them. I would Totally reccomend the Parasound Halo C-2 and A-51 products they work AWSOME!!
    GOOD LUCK with what ever you choose just make sure you get something with enough power. Like atleast 200 watts per channel. Oh yea when I was asking about things about this subject I was told to make sure it is continuos power to the speakers. Well have fun buying somthing thats part of the fun.
    TV- 52 inch LCD SONY BRAVIA XBR6
    TV- 42 inch PLASMA HITACHI ULTRA VISION
    AMP- PARASOUND HALO A-51
    CONTROLLER- PARASOUND HALO C-2
    FRONT SPEAKERS- LSi15's and LSiC
    REAR SPEAKERS- LSi7's
    SUBWOOFER- VELODYNE DD15
    BLU RAY- LG SUPER BLU BH200
    BLU RAY- SONY BDPS350
    GAME SYSTEM- NINTENDO Wii
    MONSTER POWER CONDITIONER
    WIRES- AUDIO QUEST and MONSTER
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  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited February 2007
    McLoki wrote:
    Your wife is going to have to put you at work soon. It seems to be very expensive keeping you at home all day... :D:D

    Michael

    :D Damn you Michael!!! Stop busting me out like that!!:o :D:p :eek:

    I'm quit the shopaholic, I need to get off the internet.:o Damn...

    Ohhh, BTW... My wife is working two jobs at the moment!:D :D
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  • dane_peterson
    dane_peterson Posts: 1,903
    edited February 2007
    MikeC78 wrote:

    I'm quit the shopaholic, I need to get off the internet.:o Damn...

    You and me both. I spent $1900 in one week. :\
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  • mwaarna
    mwaarna Posts: 280
    edited February 2007
    If any one gets this Marantz amp, post a review to how you like the sound of it...

    How much of a difference in sound would i notice going from a 250wpc@4ohm to 400wpc@4ohm?
    Click here To see My system
    Polk LSI15,LSiC, LsiFX, SVS PB-12 Plus/2, Blue Jean Cables,Onkyo Pro PR-SC885P, Earthquake Cin
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  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited February 2007
    mwaarna wrote:
    If any one gets this Marantz amp, post a review to how you like the sound of it...

    How much of a difference in sound would i notice going from a 250wpc@4ohm to 400wpc@4ohm?

    Depends on the amp, I'd say close to 3db?
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited February 2007
    This is where you get into diminishing returns. If your speaker is getting the maximum wattage it's rated for at 8ohms, then I doubt you will see a difference at 4ohms.

    At least this is true for me. My Polks wattage is 250wpc, I was feeding it 205 with my Parasound. When I upgraded to my 405wpc Sunfire, the only place I noticed a difference was with my back speakers which weren't amped until I got the Sunfire. My L/R/C had previously been amped with 200-5wpc & I didn't notice any increase with the additional watts.
    mwaarna wrote:
    If any one gets this Marantz amp, post a review to how you like the sound of it...

    How much of a difference in sound would i notice going from a 250wpc@4ohm to 400wpc@4ohm?
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • RoosterD
    RoosterD Posts: 36
    edited February 2007
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    Denon 3805S
    Denon 3910S
    Polk LSi 15's
    Polk LSi F/X's
    Polk LSi C
    Boston Pro 10" DIY Sub
    Samsung 5678W DLP 1080P
    PS3
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  • sickicw
    sickicw Posts: 456
    edited February 2007
    mwaarna wrote:
    If any one gets this Marantz amp, post a review to how you like the sound of it...

    How much of a difference in sound would i notice going from a 250wpc@4ohm to 400wpc@4ohm?

    -The larger increase in power could mean that it has a better power supply with would usually mean that you will get more dynamic range (assuming your wall power outlet is not limiting the current; hint: get a dedicated power line).

    - The ratio of power at 4 ohms to power at 8 ohms is more important that max power at 4 ohms (power should double as you half the impedance) assuming your max power at 4 ohms is more than about 50 to 100 watts.
    Speakers: LSi9 x 2, LSic, LSiFX x 2, Velodyne HGS-15
    Amps & Power: Rockford Fosgate T8004 x 3, Cascade Audio APS-55 power supplies x 5, and 1 farad capacitor.
    Electronics: Denon 3806, Toshiba HD-A1, & Sony KDL46XBR2
    Accessories: Anti-IC interconnects, 8 Mondo Traps from Realtraps, and Salamander furniture.
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  • no-cure
    no-cure Posts: 48
    edited February 2007
    Hello,

    I've been reading this and other forums but honestly, there's such a plethora of choices out there, one simply could get lost...so I decided to come here for some EXPERT ADVICE!!

    Although I'm impressed with my LSI 15s (replaced Monitor 70, huge improvement), I believe I could do soo much better than driving them with my Denon AVR3806. My sig. tells you all my equipment, but I just purchased my Denon from Crutchfield two days ago (it replaced a 1 yr. old Onkyo TS603) and after reading reviews over reviews, I expected a significant improvement over my Onkyo. I guess I had high expectations, but honestly, I couldn't hear much of a difference, at least not enough to justify $1,300.

    Since the LSI 15s have a 4 ohm impedance, they are quite hard to drive if one wants to maximize their high performance these high end speakers are known to produce. Now my Denon receiver is not rated to drive 4 ohm speakers so I tweaked it as much as I could (the Audyssey room equalizer didn’t really help the sound, I found it to do the opposite, so I’m just running it flat with no EQ). Maybe I messed up in setting up the system, after all the difficult and very complicated interface for Denon leaves a lot for desire, but still…I got it for the rave reviews it received for its audiophile capabilities. Now, I listen to HT 60% and music 40%, so needless to say I don't want to sacrifice musical quality over big loud distorted sound that one could hear at your local Best Buy or something. So my dilemma is:
    1) should I keep the Denon receiver, and bi-amp my fronts using Zone 3 outs? Something tells me that by driving them with two amplifiers (albeit coming from the same receiver) should improve my sound…
    2) should I get a preamp like NAD, Rotel, Outlaw, etc and use it in conjunction with my Denon?
    3) Return it and try to find others?

    Could I do this, improve my sound quality and still be under $1,300?

    Thanks for advice guys!
    Cheers, Ted
    Analog:
    Polk Audio LSI 15s (cherry) - Fronts :D
    Polk Audio LSI C - center
    SVS PB12 Plus Piano Black!! (on its way) - sub
    BoseFX - surrounds

    Digital:
    Panasonic 61" Rear Projection LCD
    Parasound Halo A52 :D:D
    Yamaha RX-V1600
    Denon DVD3910
    Monster Power 1600 Line Conditioner
    APC 1500 Smart UPS

    Blue Jeans and AudioQuest Interconnects
    Logitech Harmony 880 Remote
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  • dane_peterson
    dane_peterson Posts: 1,903
    edited February 2007
    I don't believe the Onkyo had preouts, so I wouldn't go back to that. I would definitely plan on getting a separate amplifier, as trying to power LSis with any AVR is far from ideal.
    The Denon would make a great pre/pro. If that's in your budget, stick to it. Another option would be to get an Outlaw 990 and match it up with the Outlaw amp. They have some decent deals on B-stock units, too. This depends on whether or not you want HDMI switching/upconverting. If HDMI is a requirement, I'd stick to the Denon.
    What I WOULDN'T do is pour more money into a preamp, when your problem lies in power in the first place. For a little more than $1300, my choice would go for a low-end HK receiver w/ preouts, and a 5-channel amp like Outlaw, B&K, Sunfire, Rotel, etc.
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  • no-cure
    no-cure Posts: 48
    edited February 2007
    dane_peterson wrote:
    I don't believe the Onkyo had preouts, so I wouldn't go back to that. I would definitely plan on getting a separate amplifier, as trying to power LSis with any AVR is far from ideal.
    The Denon would make a great pre/pro. If that's in your budget, stick to it. Another option would be to get an Outlaw 990 and match it up with the Outlaw amp. They have some decent deals on B-stock units, too. This depends on whether or not you want HDMI switching/upconverting. If HDMI is a requirement, I'd stick to the Denon.
    What I WOULDN'T do is pour more money into a preamp, when your problem lies in power in the first place. For a little more than $1300, my choice would go for a low-end HK receiver w/ preouts, and a 5-channel amp like Outlaw, B&K, Sunfire, Rotel, etc.

    Dane, thanks for responding...
    Ok, although I like the Denon's HDMI switching, it's not really a show stopper, mainly I got it because it received great reviews and it matches my stellar DVD3910 player. Now, do you know if bi-amping my speakers with the Zone 3 out from my Denon won't really improve my sound quality?

    Also, how about getting a used Outlaw pre to go with my Denon? I tried looking at Audiogon but I'm not really sure what what these items go for 'previously enjoyed'.

    Ted
    Analog:
    Polk Audio LSI 15s (cherry) - Fronts :D
    Polk Audio LSI C - center
    SVS PB12 Plus Piano Black!! (on its way) - sub
    BoseFX - surrounds

    Digital:
    Panasonic 61" Rear Projection LCD
    Parasound Halo A52 :D:D
    Yamaha RX-V1600
    Denon DVD3910
    Monster Power 1600 Line Conditioner
    APC 1500 Smart UPS

    Blue Jeans and AudioQuest Interconnects
    Logitech Harmony 880 Remote
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  • dane_peterson
    dane_peterson Posts: 1,903
    edited February 2007
    The bi-amping will not be worth your while. As stated before, trying to power LSis with an AVR is far from ideal. If you're trying to get good sound from your 15s out of an AVR, I'm afraid you're in for a big disappointment.

    I thought I made it clear, but maybe not... don't spend more money getting a pre/pro. Your processing isn't the bottleneck here, it's the AMPLIFIER. So return the Denon, get a cheap AVR with preouts (like mentioned before, Harman Kardon would be a good choice), and invest the majority of your funds into a solid 200W/Channel amplifier.
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  • no-cure
    no-cure Posts: 48
    edited February 2007
    Yeah, you're right Dane, I'm not quite happy with my setup, hence me being here...so, bye-bye Denon, guess it's time to start looking again!
    Analog:
    Polk Audio LSI 15s (cherry) - Fronts :D
    Polk Audio LSI C - center
    SVS PB12 Plus Piano Black!! (on its way) - sub
    BoseFX - surrounds

    Digital:
    Panasonic 61" Rear Projection LCD
    Parasound Halo A52 :D:D
    Yamaha RX-V1600
    Denon DVD3910
    Monster Power 1600 Line Conditioner
    APC 1500 Smart UPS

    Blue Jeans and AudioQuest Interconnects
    Logitech Harmony 880 Remote
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited February 2007
    Welcome No-cure.

    Your Denon is fine, it is just lacking power. What you want to get is a used amplifier of at least 200wpc. Look at Outlaws B-Stock. They have a 7500 & a 7700 up for sale. You can also check out Audiogon for Outlaws, Rotels, & Sunfires.

    The key is to get as much power as possible & use your Denon as a preamp.
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • no-cure
    no-cure Posts: 48
    edited March 2007
    Thanks for the welcome and your input guys, so under your advisement, I've been looking at:
    1) Parasound Halo A52 (my top choice for looks)
    2) Rotel RMB 1095
    3) Krell 400xi
    4) Outlaw 7500

    What are your experiences with the above when used with the LSI15s? Right now I'm trying to discern thru finding them (they tend to be scarce expect the Outlaw), but quality is what I'm really after...but there's that small factor as well --> $$
    Analog:
    Polk Audio LSI 15s (cherry) - Fronts :D
    Polk Audio LSI C - center
    SVS PB12 Plus Piano Black!! (on its way) - sub
    BoseFX - surrounds

    Digital:
    Panasonic 61" Rear Projection LCD
    Parasound Halo A52 :D:D
    Yamaha RX-V1600
    Denon DVD3910
    Monster Power 1600 Line Conditioner
    APC 1500 Smart UPS

    Blue Jeans and AudioQuest Interconnects
    Logitech Harmony 880 Remote
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  • G-2
    G-2 Posts: 533
    edited March 2007
    dane_peterson wrote:
    The bi-amping will not be worth your while. As stated before, trying to power LSis with an AVR is far from ideal. If you're trying to get good sound from your 15s out of an AVR, I'm afraid you're in for a big disappointment.

    I thought I made it clear, but maybe not... don't spend more money getting a pre/pro. Your processing isn't the bottleneck here, it's the AMPLIFIER. So return the Denon, get a cheap AVR with preouts (like mentioned before, Harman Kardon would be a good choice), and invest the majority of your funds into a solid 200W/Channel amplifier.

    +1000 yes yes!! Our AVR is an Integra 6.5 and thank goodness it has pre-outs, because as Dane said, the LSi's were not happy until we added the 5150 and WOW what a difference, both in HT (we're 5.1) and Audio!! We just believe that the LSI's should be powered by a separate amp with at least 140wpc @4ohm. The 5150 we purchased used and it is mint all the way down to the original box, it deliver's 200wpc @4ohm and has really brought the LSi's to life! If you're running you LSi's off your AVR, you owe it to yourself to find an external amp to use on them (provided you've got the pre-outs on your AVR).
    Home Theater
    Chane     A3rx-c's, A2rc-c, A1rx-c's|Miller & Kreisel V-125's|Sony XBR65X810C 65" 4K LED TV|
    Earthquake Cinenova Grande-5|Pioneer Elite - VSX-84TXSi-AVR|TRIPPLITE LCR2400|
    Ultrasonic Amp Stand|Blue Jeans,Audioquest,Monster Cables|

    2 - Channel
    Polk     RTA 12c's w/RDO194 TWEETS, clarity ESA caps mills resistors (full mod)|Turntable|
    Anthem MCA 2|Acurus Act 3 Pre Pro|Parasound P/Ph 100|Pioneer Elite N-30|Adcom GDA600|
    Premier Rack|Blue Jeans,Audioquest,Monster Cables|
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  • JimBRICK
    JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
    edited March 2007
    So after listening to everyones opinions and actually hearing the speakers now. I WAS BLOWN AWAY. Dont think I'll be upgrading for a while after this.

    system I heard

    lsi9 fronts
    lsi7 rears
    psw505 sub
    lsic center

    cant remember his amp and preamp but I was blown away so its on, thank you for you help everyone
    2 CHANNEL
    Speaker - Klipsch Heresy II
    Under construction
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  • dane_peterson
    dane_peterson Posts: 1,903
    edited March 2007
    Glad you're satisfied with the speakers. Just make sure the equipment can support the speakers properly. As they always say, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. :)

    Have fun--this hobby can be extremely satisfying. :)
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  • JimBRICK
    JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
    edited March 2007
    and expensive, now I just need a better turntable
    2 CHANNEL
    Speaker - Klipsch Heresy II
    Under construction
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  • no-cure
    no-cure Posts: 48
    edited March 2007
    Thanks to everyone, I became wiser and went looking again, so...I returned the Denon, got a Yamaha RXV1600 as a pre and currently waiting for my Parasound Halo 52! I got the Parasound off Audiogon, for 1,600 shipped...

    What do you guys think?
    Analog:
    Polk Audio LSI 15s (cherry) - Fronts :D
    Polk Audio LSI C - center
    SVS PB12 Plus Piano Black!! (on its way) - sub
    BoseFX - surrounds

    Digital:
    Panasonic 61" Rear Projection LCD
    Parasound Halo A52 :D:D
    Yamaha RX-V1600
    Denon DVD3910
    Monster Power 1600 Line Conditioner
    APC 1500 Smart UPS

    Blue Jeans and AudioQuest Interconnects
    Logitech Harmony 880 Remote
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited March 2007
    Personally I think you should have kept the Denon. There was nothing wrong with it. You simply needed a more powerful amplifier which you will have with the Parasound.

    Why did you switch receivers?
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited March 2007
    cfrizz wrote:
    Personally I think you should have kept the Denon. There was nothing wrong with it. You simply needed a more powerful amplifier which you will have with the Parasound.

    Why did you switch receivers?
    I am guessing because he had just purchased the reciever and could still return it. Since he was not going to use the amplifier section, he saved about $600 by purchasing a cheaper AVR with pre-outs. That gave him a little extra money to spend on his amplifier.

    He actually listened to the advice of the forum - it threw me off too at first :):p:)

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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