Musical Fidelity Tube Buffer

reeltrouble1
reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
edited January 2007 in 2 Channel Audio
You see a while back, oh, a bit shy of a year ago, I passed my Denon 2900 to another member and good friend. Now I replaced it as my primary digital source in the Shed with a source piece retailing for 6.5 times more than the Denon, although the 2900 did me an excellent job on high rez formats like many others Redbook just did not do it for me, at least the gap between the two formats was rather large for me. The new source was indeed much beyond (and should of been) the Denon and I was more or less a happy camper, except..........

Well, from the moment it left I missed this piece, not unusual for me to miss a favored piece of gear, but normally the feeling fades and I move on. Still, though this one lingered, so much that when one became available a while back I snatched it. You see, I missed hearing my DVD-A collection in the Shed as my new source did not do this format, I have many more SACD than DVD-A but some of my favs in high Rez DVD-A are Queen, Fleetwood Mac, the Eagles, Sinatra and so on, so I hooked the 2900 up in the Shed Rig and let her rip with a DVD-A........................

Err..............what happened, not doing it, sure it was OK, pretty good, but this was a 2900, a piece I remembered taking me there with high rez, but the overall presentation was just not there, grain, edgeiness, mids seemed flat, no space around the instruments, dammm............pop in an SACD, same thing, Redbook............worse.............sheeze..........

So there she sat, pretty much in standbye and the DVD-A's went back to the Reel Time Rig, no slouch by any means, but, two different rigs and the RTTR is more subject to volume control correction by my best friend and all that.

So I see the Musical Fidelity Tube Buffer has a special deal at 299.00, now this is one my favorite companies, they build no junk, only top notch to hi-fi, plus I get the 30 day return if its not going to do it for me..............

Cut to the chase................its staying, with either high rez format in the Shed the Tube Buffer does it, now its not the Tri-Vista, which lets me hear a bit lower down and has more air in this Rig and blacker background, but its pretty close, so much so its earned a shelf in the Woodshed Rig, the strings opening Hotel California ring true with plenty of space, I can close my eyes and see them vibrating, the bass run in The Chain (Fleetwood Mac) again gets me in the gut and lower. Count Basie, one o'clock jump is detailed yet smooth. The edges are gone. Redbook, well, I will play that from the Tri-Vista, but the DVD-A's will stay in the Shed and provide many hours of enjoyment through the Denon/MF Tube Buffer combination.

If you want to try it, nows the time, for 299.00 guaranteed or return for your dough this might be something for you. The piece includes one unbalanced input pair one standard output pair and a tape loop output, the tape loop output is a straight shot from the source. MF has used the same tube set as found in the Kw series on this model. Hell, I, might buy another one.

RT1
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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited January 2007
    Nice write up...

    If I ever ditch the Dared in favor of a solid-state pre, I imagine the Tube Buffer would arrive at my doorstep the same day.
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  • szhleppy
    szhleppy Posts: 320
    edited January 2007
    I got mine for a great price on the FM (thank EarlyB!) and found the same results. For the price, it accomplished more than I expected in mellowing out the sound.
  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 4,489
    edited January 2007
    I'd suggest trying the V3 power supply unit. I found it helps add that little bit extra (see sig below). The DAC has great synergy as well, but they're harder to find.
  • schwarcw
    schwarcw Posts: 7,335
    edited January 2007
    RT, nice writeup and thanks for the heads up on the tube buffer. Did you buy it directly from Musical Fidelity?

    It begs the question, why did the new 2900 sound worse than your old 2900? Do you think there is a problem with the player or what happened to the SQ???
    Carl

  • schwarcw
    schwarcw Posts: 7,335
    edited January 2007
    PS, Glad there's another DVD-A fan here besides me;) I have all the DVD-A disks you were talking about. Do you have REM's greatest hits or Natalie Merchant's Tiger Lilly?

    Carl
    Carl

  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited January 2007
    Sorry I bought it from Music Direct about three weeks ago.

    I dont think anything was wrong with the replacement 2900. I had just become accustomed to hearing a higher level of hi-fi than it could provide on its own in this Rig.

    Emlyn I have read good things about the power supply and good to see you give it the recommendation, I will pick one up.

    You can rest assured some more DVD-A will be added to my collection, so thanks for the heads up on the recommendation, there are many DVDA folks here, its just SACD gets the lions share in most of our collections, including my own. But there are alot of great titles on DVD-A not on SACD, have my eye on a Meridan as an eventual source player for these discs.

    RT1

    RT1
  • cstpeter
    cstpeter Posts: 387
    edited January 2007
    RT1, good write up.

    I had a similar experience: I have a Denon 2900 that I have been happy with, but recently decided redbook just wasn't cutting it. In my search for a source upgrade (RT1, thanks for your help with that, by the way), I tried a few sources, including the 2900 with a X-10v3 tube buffer and X-PSU power source upgrade. I gotta say, it did A LOT for the 2900. In fact, it compared very favorably with the McCormack UDP-1 that I had tried just before it, and that lists for much more. I eventually found better synergy with the PS Audio DAC, but the MF is a great piece, especially for the price.

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  • schwarcw
    schwarcw Posts: 7,335
    edited January 2007
    I checked out the Music Direct site and read the info on the tube buffer and power supply. Are you using the tube buffer between the Denon and your pre, or between your pre and the power amp? The product desription suggests this configuration as an option.

    I could see using this between my pre and the power amp since both are solid state, this might give me some benefit from all my sources. The supplemental power supply is $399, any opinions here?

    Carl
    Carl

  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited January 2007
    I am using it behind the Denon as I have great synergy between the BAT gear I dont want to mess with it, but yes you can place this unit behind any analog piece and run analog out to another.

    Emlyn stated he has the PS and enjoys it as a further worthwhile tweak, he has the DAC as well. One the reviews I read stated the power supply was in fact almost manadatory after hearing it with the buffer.

    RT1
  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 4,489
    edited January 2007
    One of the nice things about the power supply, besides the more stable power going to the components, is the fact that it powers four of the v3 components. The power supply can be used with an upgraded IEC power cord, and avoid having to use the cheap wall wart transformers. I have two tube buffers, the DAC, and the headphone amp. I can use a tube buffer for the DAC and tube buffer for DVD-A and SACD from the Denon. Sort of a cheaper way to get a universal player with tubed outputs. If I wanted, I could stop using the DAC and add a third tube buffer to use the Denon's 5.1 channel analog outputs as tubed outputs for DVD, CD, DVD-A, and SACD. I love the flexibility these things offer.
  • szhleppy
    szhleppy Posts: 320
    edited January 2007
    schwarcw wrote:
    I checked out the Music Direct site and read the info on the tube buffer and power supply. Are you using the tube buffer between the Denon and your pre, or between your pre and the power amp? The product desription suggests this configuration as an option.

    I could see using this between my pre and the power amp since both are solid state, this might give me some benefit from all my sources. The supplemental power supply is $399, any opinions here?

    Carl

    I'm using mine between the pre and amp. I'm thinking about moving it between my CDP and pre though because it seems to cause some volume variation during dialogue on movies.
  • schwarcw
    schwarcw Posts: 7,335
    edited January 2007
    I did some more research, read more reviews, looked at the Musical Fidelity website and . . . I ordered the tube buffer and the power supply. It should be here Friday.
    Carl

  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited January 2007
    enjoy the wait, sweet anticipation, I found the buffer sounded pretty good right out of the box, mine is still so new its still burning in a bit, I like the idea of using a better cord rather than the wall-wart.

    congrats Carl.

    RT1
  • schwarcw
    schwarcw Posts: 7,335
    edited January 2007
    Well the X-10 v3 with the separate power supply is in the house!:D

    I got it hooked up tonight and had it playing for about 1 1/2 hours. I was impressed! I took my Sheng Ya out of my system several weeks ago to do some mods. I picked up a Quad 99 CDP-2 to use for at least until I get some time (and parts) to do the mods on the Sheng Ya. The Quad was wonderful, nice detail and soundstage and the bass was deep and tight. I usually listen to music at night after my daughter goes to sleep, and I seldom play it above -35 dB at night. On weekends, I like to cut the big SDA's loose. I noticed that after listening to the Quad for about an hour, my ears became a little fatigued. I would stop short of saying the Quad was bright or harsh, but after some listening time at -25 dB or above I was a little fatigued. I guess that I got used to the smooth sound of the Sheng Ya.

    After my listen tonight, I'm convinced I did the right thing. I noticed a noticeable smoothness without a loss of detail right out of the box. The Quad CDP sounds super with the X-10 v3! With a 30 day money back deal from Music Direct, this was a no brain decision to give it a try, and I'm glad that I did. A big thumbs up and thank you's to RT, Emlyn and Schleppy for sharing your experiences.
    Carl

  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited January 2007
    Hey Carl glad you are enjoying the buffer, now you really got me jonesin for the Power Supply.............

    RT1
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,552
    edited January 2007
    Good stuff, fellas.
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