Pioneer VSX-1016-TXV receiver question

Carl333

I am having trouble getting the Auto MCACC Setup to On Screen Display display on my Panny HD TV. I tried getting the display by switching through all the available inputs ie. component 1 and 2, HDMI 1 and 2 and the 3 video inputs. No nothing. Also the manual says that the OSD will not appear if I have connected using the HDMI output to the TV. Is is not. The 2 HDMI inputs are set to the default setting which is OFF.

thanks

disneyjoe7

Carl, the on screen display my only work with S-Video output from the receiver to the TV.

Carl333

I should have mentioned that i did manage to get the display going at one time before wiring and re-wiring my components many times but can't seem to get it back. I don't think I have a S-Video cable. I think my problem lies with a missing connection from the receiver to the TV. Am I on track here people? Any clues on what to do.

thanks

disneyjoe7

Carl in short terms yes the receiver may need a S-video or composite video input to display to OSD.

Deeper it's a video syncing, framing issue.

danger boy

if you are getting a picture from your receiver to your TV. you should have OSD.

what video cable are you using from your receiver to your TV? Component? did you upgrade from S-video to component when you rewired the system? check the manual to see if component will show the OSD or not. Some systems will.. while others will not.

Carl333

Hello all. I think I may have answered my question. I just ran upstairs and noticed that I have no outputs from my receiver going directly to the TV. I do have a componet video out available (red, green, blue)but I don't have the right cable. Can I use a yellow, red, and white cable ? If yes, how do I properly match the colors? What does PB, PR and Y stand for? Sorry.

Carl333

danger boy wrote:

if you are getting a picture from your receiver to your TV. you should have OSD.

what video cable are you using from your receiver to your TV? Component? did you upgrade from S-video to component when you rewired the system? check the manual to see if component will show the OSD or not. Some systems will.. while others will not.

Hi danger boy. Just read the manual further. It said to use component, S-video or composite connections. Good grief. I have none of these connections to my TV. Man, am I so stupid. Sorry.

Can I use a yellow, white, red wire connected to my component video out on the receiver to my red, green blue on my TV?

danger boy

yes you can use the yellow, white and red cable. but i'd only use it for the time being.. then get a component cable.. it will improve the picture quailty.

sounds like you're on the right track to solve your problem.

Carl333

Tks danger boy. I was waiting patiently for a reply. I didn't want to blow anything up. This hook-up would be just to get me the ON Screen Display for my receiver set-up only. Does it matter which color I use where? ie. Which colors match the red, green and blue for teh yellow, red and white?

tks

danger boy

nope it won't really matter.. those cables are you probably know are for composite video (yellow) the red is used for right ch audio. and white for left. but it should work fine for you, as you are using it for a different purpose.

In a pinch you can use an audio/video cable set for component video. Use the yellow cable for Y, the red cable for Pr, and the white cable for Pb. We cannot promise no degradation such as colors shifted as in a poorly done child's coloring book, but a cable less than 6 feet should not be a problem.

danger boy

Carl333 wrote:

What does PB, PR and Y stand for? Sorry.

i wouldn't worry about what they mean, but here is the explantion. it's long. but since you asked.. and maybe it will make sense to those people more informed than me.

Analog Component Video

Almost everything you might want to know about "component video" and the three jack cluster color coded red, green, and blue.

Factoids

Y-Pb-Pr, or what we nowadays refer to as component video or color difference video, was invented to maintain compatibility with black and white TV, simplify video electronics and reduce the overall bandwidth requirements for transmitting video compared with RGB. In practice it provides one luminance signal with full horizontal resolution and two color signals with reduced horizontal resolution.

Component video was first used in the early days of color TV, back in the 1950's, as an intermediate step in video processing.

From your DVD player or HDTV set top box to your TV, it is usually analog, thus its full name "analog component video".

Also referred to as Y, R-Y, B-Y or color difference video. Some DVD players label the green, blue, and red jacks Y, Cb, Cr but for now treat it is Y, Pb, Pr.

Not to be confused with composite video which is transmitted using a single cable plugged into jacks usually colored yellow and usually simply labeled "video in" or "video out"..

Compared to RGB, analog component video is vaguely red, white, and blue. Converting from one to the other requires circuitry, not just a cable.

Inside the TV, component video (and also S-video, etc.) is always eventually converted to RGB.

Be sure you have the cables properly matched to the jacks, that is why they are usually color coded, green for Y, red for Pr, blue for Pb.

Component video can give better resolution of side by side color details compared with S-video because there is more bandwidth available for color information.

Component video comes in different non-interchangeable formats (scan rate formats) for regular TV or HDTV, for example:

Interlaced or 480i from a standard NTSC DVD player,

480p from a progressive scan NTSC DVD player.

1080i or 720p HDTV.

Also in PAL formats.

Sometimes the same red-green-blue jack cluster in back of the TV accepts more than one scan rate format described above and the TV automatically selects the proper one. Sometimes you must select manually Sometimes separate clusters are provided. If the TV handles both RGB and component video using the same jack cluster, you must always make this selection manually, otherwise you may get color errors such as a greenish picture

High grade A/V receivers and switch boxes for component video can handle any of the above formats one at a time. Lesser grade equipment may degrade the picture quality starting with HDTV, progressive scan next, due to insufficient video bandwidth.

In a pinch you can use an audio/video cable set for component video. Use the yellow cable for Y, the red cable for Pr, and the white cable for Pb. We cannot promise no degradation such as colors shifted as in a poorly done child's coloring book, but a cable less than 6 feet should not be a problem.

In a pinch you can use an unpowered audio/video switch box to run several component video sources into the same jack cluster on your TV. Again, use the yellow or video jacks on the switch box for the Y cables.

SCART refers only to the style (shape) of jacks and plugs. Although usually used with RGB, SCART jacks can be used for S-video or component video also.

Unfortunately there is a hodgepodge of standards for the exact definitions of Y, Pb, and Pr. Picture quality loss occurs if a different formula is used to recreate RGB at the receiving end compared with what was used during video source production.

Dennis Gardner

Yellow is video only and is called composite, (white and red are right and left audio.)

S-video is between the two formats and delivers 2 parts of the video.

Red,Green, & Blue is called component & delivers 3 separate parts of the video signal.


OSD will only work through the composite or s-video. I would leave a yellow cable hooked up all the time and just switch to it when OSD is needed.

Edit - Nice description Al. Sorry for posting on top of yours.

danger boy

Dennis. that's ok. i just copied and pasted it from the net. i would never be able to explain it like the web site had it.

Carl333

Thanks guys. I have my OSD working now.

Rgds