Craigsub rankings thread
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This was taken by me from AVSforum, where it was originally taken from AVS123.
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This was taken fron AV123 boards, it is GOLD imo and deserving of it's own thread. Bravo Craig!
1. JL Audio Fathom 113: 103 points.
2. Velodyne DD-18: 100 points.
3. ACI Maestro: 97 points.
4. JL Audio Fathom 112: 95 points.
5. Hsu VTF-3 HO + Turbo: 94 points
5a. Hsu VTF-3 HO w/o Turbo: 92 points
6. SVS PB12-Ultra: 90 points.
6T. Axiom EP-500: 90 points
7. SVS PB12-Plus/2: 87 points.
8. Rocket UFW-12: 85 points (provisional)
9. Rocket X-Sub: 78 points
10. Rocket Tyke: 60 points
As you can see, the "least performing" subwoofer still delivers 60 points. The Tyke really cannot deliver subwoofer performance. It still will add foundation to bookshelf speakers, and is a pretty good barometer for the entry level sub.
The Axiom EP-500 and the PB12-Ultra are virtual ties. The Axiom is a little more articulate, while the Ultra yields an extra 1/2 octave deeper.
The UFW-12 is the original version, and is only limited due to the fact it only manages 25 Hz. MLS mentioned getting me the upgraded driver/amp package. So, as with the Hsu, the rating is a provisional one.
For the scale, I consider 75 to be about the point in which a subwoofer is having a major beneficial impact on the overall system ... and the X-sub qualifies for that distinction.
Also ... Later the Hsu VTF-3 HO and the MBM-12 will be tested as a $1500 subwoofer, which will be the price for both, including the Turbo.
When evaluating these subs, I wanted to develop a system which would be easy to follow ... yet allow for a HUGE difference in the performance between, say, a TYKE and a Fathom 113.
In a direct linear fashion, the Tyke might look like it is 58.25% the sub the 113 is. Of course, it is not.
How the scaling works is this: each 3 points represents a 15% higher level of overall performance. It is also cumulative.
For example, The Fathom 113 is 43 points higher than the TYKE. Grab a calculator, and you will see you have 14.33 consecutive 15% improvements.
Take 1.15 x 1, and do it 14 times, and you get 7.08. Next, multiply 7.075 x 1.05, and you get 7.43.
In other words, the Fathom has 743% higher performance than does the Tyke.
The Hsu VTF-3 HO W/Turbo has 38.9% higher performance than does the SVS PB12-Plus/2 (in this case, the overall musicality added to extension wins the day).
The Fathom 113 has 46.5% higher performance than does the 112.
As an aside, to keep this from being overcomplicated, each single point outside the 3 point criteria is scored at 1.05, not according to a true scale, which would be 1.0477.
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This was taken fron AV123 boards, it is GOLD imo and deserving of it's own thread. Bravo Craig!
1. JL Audio Fathom 113: 103 points.
2. Velodyne DD-18: 100 points.
3. ACI Maestro: 97 points.
4. JL Audio Fathom 112: 95 points.
5. Hsu VTF-3 HO + Turbo: 94 points
5a. Hsu VTF-3 HO w/o Turbo: 92 points
6. SVS PB12-Ultra: 90 points.
6T. Axiom EP-500: 90 points
7. SVS PB12-Plus/2: 87 points.
8. Rocket UFW-12: 85 points (provisional)
9. Rocket X-Sub: 78 points
10. Rocket Tyke: 60 points
As you can see, the "least performing" subwoofer still delivers 60 points. The Tyke really cannot deliver subwoofer performance. It still will add foundation to bookshelf speakers, and is a pretty good barometer for the entry level sub.
The Axiom EP-500 and the PB12-Ultra are virtual ties. The Axiom is a little more articulate, while the Ultra yields an extra 1/2 octave deeper.
The UFW-12 is the original version, and is only limited due to the fact it only manages 25 Hz. MLS mentioned getting me the upgraded driver/amp package. So, as with the Hsu, the rating is a provisional one.
For the scale, I consider 75 to be about the point in which a subwoofer is having a major beneficial impact on the overall system ... and the X-sub qualifies for that distinction.
Also ... Later the Hsu VTF-3 HO and the MBM-12 will be tested as a $1500 subwoofer, which will be the price for both, including the Turbo.
When evaluating these subs, I wanted to develop a system which would be easy to follow ... yet allow for a HUGE difference in the performance between, say, a TYKE and a Fathom 113.
In a direct linear fashion, the Tyke might look like it is 58.25% the sub the 113 is. Of course, it is not.
How the scaling works is this: each 3 points represents a 15% higher level of overall performance. It is also cumulative.
For example, The Fathom 113 is 43 points higher than the TYKE. Grab a calculator, and you will see you have 14.33 consecutive 15% improvements.
Take 1.15 x 1, and do it 14 times, and you get 7.08. Next, multiply 7.075 x 1.05, and you get 7.43.
In other words, the Fathom has 743% higher performance than does the Tyke.
The Hsu VTF-3 HO W/Turbo has 38.9% higher performance than does the SVS PB12-Plus/2 (in this case, the overall musicality added to extension wins the day).
The Fathom 113 has 46.5% higher performance than does the 112.
As an aside, to keep this from being overcomplicated, each single point outside the 3 point criteria is scored at 1.05, not according to a true scale, which would be 1.0477.
HT/music rig
Panasonic PX60U 50" plasma
Yamaha 5990 AVR
Onix SP3 tube amp
bunch of Outlaw 2200 monoblocks
DUAL SVS PB12+/2 subs :eek:
Denon 3910 DVD/SACD/DVD-A
DirecTV HR10-250 DVR
Onix Strata Mini mains
Mirage OM10 surrounds
Polk CSi5 center
Polk SC80 rear surrounds
Samsung BDP1000 blu-ray player
Bedroom rig
Jolida SJ302a tube amp
Denon 2910 universal player
Onix Ref 1 monitors
Velodyne minivee
Panasonic PX60U 50" plasma
Yamaha 5990 AVR
Onix SP3 tube amp
bunch of Outlaw 2200 monoblocks
DUAL SVS PB12+/2 subs :eek:
Denon 3910 DVD/SACD/DVD-A
DirecTV HR10-250 DVR
Onix Strata Mini mains
Mirage OM10 surrounds
Polk CSi5 center
Polk SC80 rear surrounds
Samsung BDP1000 blu-ray player
Bedroom rig
Jolida SJ302a tube amp
Denon 2910 universal player
Onix Ref 1 monitors
Velodyne minivee
Comments
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The AV123 person spent a lot of time explaining how the scaling works, that +/- 3 points is statistically insignificant, etc.
But there is NO explanation of the most important calculation: how the number of points were derived. Was it by another formula based on specs or maybe independent measurements, or just a number arbitrarily assigned by the reviewer? -
Here is the relevant thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=768150
The author is over there - ask him, he is being very helpful with queries about his process.HT/music rig
Panasonic PX60U 50" plasma
Yamaha 5990 AVR
Onix SP3 tube amp
bunch of Outlaw 2200 monoblocks
DUAL SVS PB12+/2 subs :eek:
Denon 3910 DVD/SACD/DVD-A
DirecTV HR10-250 DVR
Onix Strata Mini mains
Mirage OM10 surrounds
Polk CSi5 center
Polk SC80 rear surrounds
Samsung BDP1000 blu-ray player
Bedroom rig
Jolida SJ302a tube amp
Denon 2910 universal player
Onix Ref 1 monitors
Velodyne minivee