Met with MLS of av123 and his take on Matt Polk

Joey_V
Joey_V Posts: 8,552
edited December 2006 in 2 Channel Audio
I wrote a review about his Strata Mini speakers and referenced them to the Martin Logan Summits a while back. Apparently, he invited me out to dinner last night at a posh place in Chicago (Keefer is the name of the steakhouse, you can google it) with a few other audiophiles.

This man knows everyone, from Gayle Sanders of ML, David Wilson of Wilson Audio, Albert VS of Von Schweikert, Franco Serbin of Sonus Faber, Matt Polk of Polk Audio, Dennis Had of Cary Audio, Peter Thomson of Plinius, Ed Villchur and Henry Kloss of ARC electronics, JMlabs, Velodyne, Infinity, Marantz, Yamaha, Genesis project, BW, Thiel, I lost count... etc... etc...

This guy made the Genesis loudspeakers of yesteryore, those $150,000 behemoths. This guy worked for Infinity Audio back when it was a $50,000,000 company since he was 15yo. He headed Audio Alchemy a few years back, he designs speakers for a number of manufacturers (I cant mention). He has met with Matt Polk and are very good buddies... ever wonder why the Polk LSi has a similar Vifa Tweeter to his Rockets/Refs?

This guy forgets more about audio than I will ever know! :(

This guy was amazing in every way! What an awe inspiring man to meet! To watch him in action doing his thing and working it with people was just awesome. If I could be 1/1000 as successful as this guy at life, I would be more than set.

Things of note during the night:
1. He has VERY VERY good things to say about the Polk LSi series, he is very close to Matt Polk and had very good things to say about him. Apparently he has Polk LSi speakers in his testing rig when comparing (and like 15 other pairs at any given time - from ML to Polk to Wilson).
2. He has VERY high regards for Martin Logan speakers. He is a dear friend of Gayle and he has been over at his house and listened to the Statement e2s several times. MLS owns several pairs of ML speakers, I think even the Summits.
3. I asked him what the best speaker on the planet was; he said most probably the VR11 beats out the Alexandria X2. He LOVES VS VR4Sr!
4. I asked him what was the best tube preamp that was affordable to me.... he said, "ARC LS26 bar none." but he also said, "The Cary 98 is a close second."
5. When asked what are the best deals in amplification under $10K, he said "bar none, Plinius for SS Class A. I've talked to Peter of Plinius and what they do is amazing with their SA103/Ref amps."
6. When asked about my system, what's next? (He knows my system inside and out... apparently MLS follows all my posts) He told me that a PowerPlant should be next, and then a CDP/DAC.
7. He taught me about crossovers, speaker design, driver matching, materials used, tubes vs ss, subwoofers, we talked about the ML subs, the Velodyne DD subs, the new JL Audio Gotham subwoofer.
8. I asked him what his favorite combo was... he answered, "I like tubes in the preamp and SS Class A in the amp section. My favorite combo for almost all speakers. Although some speakers benefit from a full tube system."

The guy is amazing and I had an amazing night. He treated us to an awesome dinner that I wouldnt have normally afforded. I think the bill per person had to be about $300-$400 PER person. There was a total of 6 of us. We had 3 bottles of wine (probably $300-400/bottle), we had Lobster bisque soup with real lobster... drool, we had crab cakes with REAL crab (never had that before), we had Ahi Tuna/Filet Mignon x2 for appetizers... drooool, we had a $70 Delmonico Ribeye bone-in...... best steak ever in my life!

Geez... amazing amazing night. I wish you all were with me that night. You guys would've had fun with this particular audiophile!

Picture:
Mark Seaton (bass expert, google him) - Danny (my audiophile friend) - Me - Mark Schifter - Eric (audiophile) and wife
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Truly humbled,
Joey
Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited December 2006
    That's fantastic!

    I'm sure there's so much to learn from the handful of audio gurus like MLS.
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    "God grooves with tubes."
  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,552
    edited December 2006
    Zero wrote:
    Fun stuff - good gear, attaining greater knowledge, and most importantly ; new friends!
    He will call you, Sean my friend. :)
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  • Midnite Mick
    Midnite Mick Posts: 1,591
    edited December 2006
    What an awesome evening that must have been. Probably could have tooken years off the education curve.

    Mike
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,068
    edited December 2006
    Great stuff. Sounds like a superb evening along with some new found friends & a wealth of new audio knowledge. Priceless!!!!!
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited December 2006
    Joey -- can you elaborate on item #7?
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

    "God grooves with tubes."
  • BlueMDPicker
    BlueMDPicker Posts: 7,569
    edited December 2006
    Looks like a great time, as evidenced by the smiles all around!

    One of the things I read by Mark awhile back (discussing his UFC-12 sub) has proven itself in my Revel-based, 2-CH setup: "We focused on a strong and linear response above 30-35 Hz, where nearly all popular music lives. There is no music without the proper support of the bass and mid-bass transition to the speakers – this is sacrosanct..."

    The italicised portion of the quote sounds like a fairly bold statement--until you've experienced what he's talking about.
  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited December 2006
    WOW!!!! Nice going Joey! It's a night you will never forget. Congrats!
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
  • Dennis Gardner
    Dennis Gardner Posts: 4,861
    edited December 2006
    I think what I like about Mark the most is his confidence to take a chance on doing/creating something out of the norm. His current venture of providing "world class value" in his products is his way of giving Joe Sixpack a glimpse of hi-end gear at real world $$$. He didn't have to take this route, but is really having a blast doing it "his way".

    Glad you had an evening to remember........
    HT Optoma HD25 LV on 80" DIY Screen, Anthem MRX 300 Receiver, Pioneer Elite BDP 51FD Polk CS350LS, Polk SDA1C, Polk FX300, Polk RT55, Dual EBS Adire Shiva 320watt tuned to 17hz, ICs-DIY Twisted Prs, Speaker-Raymond Cable

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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited December 2006
    Steak, booze, audio, and good company...
    what more could you want?

    Awesome deal Joey!
    I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,552
    edited December 2006
    Mark's a good guy, most definitely. Meeting the guy was an experience and the way he treated me that night (like a rockstar) was amazing.

    Joey
    Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R
  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited December 2006
    Sounds like a fantastic evening something you'll not forget for awhile.

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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited December 2006
    Kick ****.
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,552
    edited December 2006
    RuSsMaN wrote:
    Kick ****.

    You summed it up Russ. ;)
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited December 2006
    Hey -- somebody should do this:

    Interview all of the old pioneers of audio before they get too old and senile, record their thoughts and ideas, then publish it. Layman's language, common sense, no ****. Something like that could certainly go a long way towards "advancing the art."
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

    "God grooves with tubes."
  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,552
    edited December 2006
    Lol!
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  • Holydoc
    Holydoc Posts: 1,048
    edited December 2006
    I did wonder about the connection of the "vifa" tweeters. Matter of fact at one time, I thinking very hard about the AV123 system but did not want to wrestle where to place the "Bigfoot" center. If the respect is there as much as you elude to, then I bet the LSiC would be a very good match with the AV123 system.
    Holydoc (Home Theatre Lover)
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  • markmarc
    markmarc Posts: 2,309
    edited December 2006
    Early B.
    You will find in the archives section of Affordable$$Audio several interviews, one of them being MLS. I am working on getting one with MP. Others I'm shooting for in 2007 include Dr. Sidney Harman.

    i totally agree, the audio community does need to connect with these pioneers before their time on this planet has passed.
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,552
    edited December 2006
    Markmarc,

    I agree 100%.
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  • Holydoc
    Holydoc Posts: 1,048
    edited December 2006
    Don't know how this failed to get into my earlier post but...

    Joey, thanks for sharing this awesome experience with us. Absolutely unbelieveable evening!
    Holydoc (Home Theatre Lover)
    __________________________________________
    Panasonic -50PX600U 50" Plasma
    Onkyo -TX-NR901 Receiver
    Oppo -Oppo 980HD Universal DVD Player
    Outlaw -770 (7x200watt) Amplifier
    PolkAudio - RTi12 (Left and Right)
    PolkAudio - CSi5 (Center)
    PolkAudio - FXi3 (Back and Surround)
    SVS - PB-12/Plus (Subwoofer)
    Bluejean Cables - Interconnects
    Logitech Harmony 880 - Remote
  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited December 2006
    markmarc wrote:
    Early B.
    You will find in the archives section of Affordable$$Audio several interviews, one of them being MLS. I am working on getting one with MP. Others I'm shooting for in 2007 include Dr. Sidney Harman.

    i totally agree, the audio community does need to connect with these pioneers before their time on this planet has passed.

    Sweet.

    Your e-zine is on the verge of exploding. Prepare yourself to quit your day job.:D
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    "God grooves with tubes."
  • markmarc
    markmarc Posts: 2,309
    edited December 2006
    Early:
    I wish!!!!! I'd just be happy to make a small profit so I could pay the writers a little something. Just getting to play with fresh equipment all the time is a real treat.
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