Hk 635 Avr

jakelm

Hey all, I have a few questions for who might know the answer to.

As some know I just picked up a HK 635. What an awsome reciever, when its not freezing up on me. It seems to freeze up when exiting the EZ EQ menu. Anyone else have this issue? Also, I noticed after the auto calibration with EZeq, my size and delay setting are changed, but also my bass and treble. But when I check tone controls, they are flat. I know it has been changed but I cant find what has been changed or where those settings are. Does the HK have a built in EQ or something? I ran the EZ one time and my left front channel was brighter (more treble) than the right. I do both the surround EZ and the nearfield EZ. Does it equalize every channel individually? Not only size but bass and treble too? One other thing, how do you know whether you need the software update, availiable through the HK website?

Thanks
Jake

AndyGwis

I can chime in for the upgrade part. . . click on this link and follow the instructions. I didn't have any problems doing it, but others have. Just make sure to follow them step by step, it's really quite easy.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=609957

You will need an older computer that has the serial (9 pin) RS232 whatever.

jakelm

Thanks Andy..will do

You have any idea on what going on with the Eq setting when you use EZsetup? Whe I do a reset, do those "subsettings" go back to 0?

tommyboy

I hate the easy setup thingy do,always screws things up more than helps(at least with my system). do everything manually with a meter.

AndyGwis

I've run with calibration EZEQ thing with good (not great) results. I usually will run it, then make some changes manually, then run it again. I'm guessing that's not the most effective way to do it, but seems to work.

Here are some tips on the EZEQ thing that aren't in the manual. Helped me quite a bit. Make sure to use a tripod.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=557549&page=1&pp=30

Take some time and read this article (or, at least the first few pages). It will greatly help you understand your HK and how to get the most out of it using the EZEQ. In fact, I'm going home during my lunch to reread and rerun the calibration since I made some recent setup changes.

Also, the far field's test tones makes my subwoofer rattle the apartment. I get chills everytime

jakelm

I end up changing the xover points for all speakers (also changing from large to small), I leave the distance and delay where the reciever has them set. But I just cant get what the reciever is doing eq wize? Why sometimes when I do it..its super bright, while other times I'll run it and its flat as a board. But no matter wether its bright or flat...the tone controls are always flat.

jakelm

oh...and the nearfield I cant figure out. What going on there? Is the HK testing the dynamics of each front speaker?

Ron Temple

I've played with the Pio MCACCA(?) and Yamaha Ypao, they do make cuts and bumps through the FR at various points. I assume the 635 does too. As Andy said, I'd run the auto eq a couple of times, then go back and adjust speaker size, crossover and distance manually, leaving the EQ alone. Both competitor's systems has an OSD menu option to display where the EQ'd bands are. I'd think HK would have one as well.

You might want to take some questions over to AVS, there's several long running 635 threads always going.

Good luck

jakelm

Thanks Ron, but I'm unable to find in the OSD menu where the EQ'd bands are.

Also I read this:
"A follow up is that I noticed some changes with EzSet - it must have different calculations - the microphone position is different than my old firmware. Near fields are done at 2 feet instead of 3, and the initial mic position is at ear level rather than 3 feet above. Something has changed although it's hard to hear with the ears if there is a discernible improvement."

this tells me I might have the lastest version....My HK is factory refurb so it probably has the latest firmware. Besides reading other post, is there anyware in the OSD that tells you what verision firmware you have?

Thanks for the help all
Jake

jakelm

Wow,,,,I'm still reading that last thread Andy posted. This guy M Code must be from Harmon, but he is recomending taking 6 or 7 steps in calibrating the system.

I would suggest the following:
1. Do a Processor Reset.
Note this will erase your stations presets and surround settings but brings you back to the startup defaults.
2. Set HK635 volume level @ -28dB.
3. On the subwoofer enclosure, set Subwoofer level control to about midway and X-over frequency control to max
4. Make sure you have a tripod and the extension rod installed
5. Run the EQ, for the Near Field the microphone should be aimed between the loudspeaker's tweeter and mid-range. Mike should be about 8-10" away but the spherical end aimed at the loudspeaker. Tilt teh tripod about 60 degrees.
6. Run the EQ for Far Field. Place the tripod in the listener's position, aiming upwards but the height of the microphone should be @ ear level while sitting.

Now if you notice #2, -28dbs....the instructions clearly read -35dbs, why would you raise the volume to -28? Is this with the old firmware?

#5 mentions nearfield. Nearfield isnt an option until after farfield, at least on my set.


And I thought this would be a snap...lol

Ron Temple

M Code is an installer that specializes in HK. He's pretty much "the Man" when it comes to their receivers.

I never said there isn't a level of complexity involved

jakelm

Ron would you or anyone know if in the OSD, is there a way to find out what firmware version you have?

short circuit

Have the receiver in the standby mode, then press and hold the right arrow button behind the front door panel and release it when the unit turns on.
The version is in the display.

jakelm

Thanks circuit.


Im still reading this thread...I'm on page 6, seems a few people are having problems with resets and skipped seconds on thier cd tracks. Just for the record, besides the few times it froze on me, I have none of these problems.

Looks like I will be calibrating a few times tonight....again...lol

Jake

jakelm

Real quick guys....

If my computer doesnt have a rs-232 port...would this work? http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2292430&cp=&origkw=rs-232&kw=rs-232&parentPage=search

Ron Temple

Looks like it would work from here...:)

jakelm

I just checked....I have version 4.12 which I think is the latest

short circuit

According to the instructions 4.12 or 5.12 are the latest. I read on the AVS forum that the USB to RS-232 adapter will not work.

jakelm

After 3 recalibrations, using both my settings manual EZ Eq and automatic EZeq, I cant get that raspy sound out of my system. I tilted the mic toword the front speakers, and I had it straight up. Near field was about 12" from L, C and R. With mic pointed straight toword speaker. The only thing I didnt do was, instead of pointing the mic between the mid and tweeter, I'm going to try to point it directly at the tweeter, maybe that will tone it down some.

I dont know if you guys are familiar with peerless tweeters, but my mains and center have this tweeter, and the HK is making them sound like they are blown, they have a bad buzz when vocal is strong, I know its not my speakers, because I tested them on my hafler amp...and they sound sweet and natural. But the HK is giving them a metallic sound. Its not my source because both cable and DVD have the same issue, I'm not sure how to fix this.

Any help would be appreciated.

Jake

jakelm

What is the 5.12? Is that for the 735? Or some higher model?

Jake

Ern Dog

Since you aren't having success using the EZ EQ, I'd scrap the idea and get an SPL and calibration disc and do it all manually.

jakelm

I redid the Eq, pointing the mic directly at the tweeter.....made a huge difference, toned it down alot...I think I've got it. Thanks all for the help:D

Jake

AndyGwis

Keep reading those threads. . . print them out and read it when you have some free time. Some of it is crap, but everything by MCode is relevant and helpful. You'll learn a lot about your AVR.

Enjoy! It's a nice piece of equipment.

jakelm

LOL....Andy...I have been reading for two days...just on page 11. But yes you are right, that is about the best thread out there with info on the 635. I would do excatly as you did and recommend that thread to anyone wanting ifno on that unit. It has helped me out a bunch. One just needs to over look the negativity, and scan for the info by M Code. Thanks for recommending it to me. I think I've got it now...but I'm never finished tweaking.

Jake

Lowell_M

:eek: I followed this guys calibration technique to the 'T' this evening after finally getting everything set up in my new media room, and WOW!!!! What a difference.

I had been complaining of a "mid bass bloat" (for lack of better articluation) since buying an ADCOM 555 and after calibrating the sound stage is absolutely amazing. You are enveloped with sound in 2-channel and bass is tight and precise, even through the velodyne. Vocals are amazing.

(on a different subject, this new room is in my basement with 1/3 the total room volume than my living room/dining room/kitchen/foyer/left area. My bottom of the line Velodyne loads up that room like you wouldn't believe. I'm talking tight-punch-you-in-the-chest bass. I'm quite impressed.) I'm sure the SVS owners out there would dissagree, but I just lost my upgradits for a new sub.

5.1 HT is seamless as well.

I've calibrated quite a few times, but always followed the directions in the manual. I much prefer this method!

heiney9

a_mattison wrote:

:eek: I followed this guys calibration technique to the 'T' this evening after finally getting everything set up in my new media room, and WOW!!!! What a difference.

I had been complaining of a "mid bass bloat" (for lack of better articluation) since buying an ADCOM 555 and after calibrating the sound stage is absolutely amazing. You are enveloped with sound in 2-channel and bass is tight and precise, even through the velodyne. Vocals are amazing.

(on a different subject, this new room is in my basement with 1/3 the total room volume than my living room/dining room/kitchen/foyer/left area. My bottom of the line Velodyne loads up that room like you wouldn't believe. I'm talking tight-punch-you-in-the-chest bass. I'm quite impressed.) I'm sure the SVS owners out there would dissagree, but I just lost my upgradits for a new sub.

5.1 HT is seamless as well.

I've calibrated quite a few times, but always followed the directions in the manual. I much prefer this method!

So you got her dialed in :cool: . I'll PM you tomorrow about an after work "stop by and listen", also we need to coordinate a time for you to come over and hear the Lsi 9's as they are dialed in as good as they can get. Glad you were able to solve your set-up problems.

H9

Lowell_M

H9, Your PM box is full.

jakelm

How stable is this reciever @6 or 4ohms? My old Hk 330c handles 2ohms excellent, how does the newer models compare?

Jake

AndyGwis

What are you planning to run on it? I'm guessing it has the stones to push 6 and even 4 effectively, but I wouldn't risk it without reseaching and/or calling HK to make sure.

jakelm

I'm aquiring another pair of monitor 7's. Which when stacked would drop to 3ohms (6ohms a speaker). I'm my guess is that it will do just fine, I just wanted input if anyone is driving it at 4 or less ohms.

Jake

jakelm

My older Onkyo was rated for 6 and even 3ohms. Their "dynamic power" rating. Just wasnt quite sure about Hk.