A/V receivers Volume/Power ratio

mauro_ferrante
mauro_ferrante Posts: 28
Is there a linear proportion between output power and volume?
I mean this:

A/V receiver's max output = 100 W per channel
Volume varies from -20 dB to +20 dB
then:

-20 dB = 0 W
0 dB = 50 W
+20 dB = 100 W

Do amplifiers work this way?

Thanks
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  • michael_w
    michael_w Posts: 2,813
    edited November 2006
    Not really. Most receivers step up exponentially because if you had it the way you showed the majority of the volume you'd get would be between -20 and -19. A single watt does a lot so you probably won't be using a watt until you hit 0. It's really hard to say because there are so many variables (like the output of the source). Easiest way is to just simply measure it with a multimeter.
  • kgk
    kgk Posts: 1
    edited November 2006
    A somewhat related question: The volume indicator on my receiver runs from -60 to +16 (I think). What does that really mean? What is the zero point? I generally don't crank it past the -20 to -17 range because that's usually loud enough for me and I don't want to damage my speakers. Is there a magic number or rule of thumb for how far I can turn the dial without risking damage to my speakers?
  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited November 2006
    Hi... and Welcome to the Forum!

    To answer your question -- no... there is no rule of thumb as so many other factors come into play. Speaker sensitivity chief among them. Play it as loud as you're comfortable with, just don't damage your speakers. If you notice any distortion (however slight), back off the volume a bit.
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited November 2006
    I would say that it is generally wise to never go past 0 on the volume scale, or past 12:00 on the volume knob.
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  • John K.
    John K. Posts: 822
    edited November 2006
    Mauro, no the proportion is logarithmic rather than linear. The formula for dBs of sound level increase with power increase is 10 log(P2/P1). For example, if the power is two watts rather than 1 watt, the increase in sound level(other factors being held constant)is 3dB, since the log of 2 is 0.3. Exactly the same rather small 3dB increase would also result if the power used was 200 watts rather than 100 watts; this is often not understood and can lead to grossly optimistic expectations of what a more powerful receiver/amplifier could do with respect to maximum sound level.

    As Michael pointed out, speakers of typical sensitivity use about 1 watt to produce a comfortably loud average listening level. If the music is highly dynamic(e.g. some classical passages; less often the case in pop music which has a tendency to be more uniformly loud)brief peaks can require much more; for example a 20dB increase requires 100 times the power. So no, you can't tell either in specific number of watts or proportion of the maximum available how much is being used from the markings on the receiver volume control. It depends on what the level of the program material is at the moment.