How much to power your LSi's
Ok, I'm reviewing a pair of Lsi's (I'll keep the model # a secret for now). for those of you with LSi's name your amp and power output in order to make your speakers sing!
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2 Ch. System
Amplifiers: Parasound Halo P6 pre, Vista Audio i34, Peachtree amp500, Adcom GFP-565 GFA-535ii, 545ii, 555ii
Digital: SimAudio HAD230 DAC, iMac 20in/Amarra,
Speakers: Paradigm Performa F75, Magnepan .7, Totem Model 1's, ACI Emerald XL, Celestion Si Stands. Totem Dreamcatcher sub
Analog: Technics SL-J2 w/Pickering 3000D, SimAudio LP5.3 phono pre
Cable/Wires: Cardas, AudioArt, Shunyata Venom 3
Founder/Publisher Affordable$$Audio 2006-13.
Former Staff Member TONEAudio
2 Ch. System
Amplifiers: Parasound Halo P6 pre, Vista Audio i34, Peachtree amp500, Adcom GFP-565 GFA-535ii, 545ii, 555ii
Digital: SimAudio HAD230 DAC, iMac 20in/Amarra,
Speakers: Paradigm Performa F75, Magnepan .7, Totem Model 1's, ACI Emerald XL, Celestion Si Stands. Totem Dreamcatcher sub
Analog: Technics SL-J2 w/Pickering 3000D, SimAudio LP5.3 phono pre
Cable/Wires: Cardas, AudioArt, Shunyata Venom 3
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Proceed AMP5 - 250 wpc into 4 ohmsMichael
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Cinepro 3k6 - 500wpc into 4 ohms. (1100watt peaks)
Michael
(click on link in my sig to see more specs.)Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms) -
Krell 400Xi, 400watts @ 4 ohmsI am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
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Hafler DH500 to LSi15 mains (500watts 4 ohms)
2 outlaw mono's biamped to LSiC (300 into 4 ohms to top and bottom)
Rotel RB980 to LSi9 surrounds (200 watts into 4 ohms)Living Room 2 Channel -
Schiit SYS Passive Pre. Jolida CD player. Songbird streamer. California Audio Labs Sigma II DAC, DIY 300as1/a1 Ice modules Class D amp. LSi15 with MM842 woofer upgrade, Nordost Blue Heaven and Unity interconnects.
Upstairs 2 Channel Rig -
Prometheus Ref. TVC passive pre, SAE A-205 Amp, Wiim pro streamer and Topping E50 DAC, California Audio Labs DX1 CD player, Von Schweikert VR3.5 speakers.
Studio Rig - Scarlett 18i20(Gen3) DAW, Mac Mini, Aiyma A07 Max (BridgedX2), Totem Mites -
For Lsi9s:
Rockford Fosgate Power T8004 (200 watts @ 4 ohms and 400 watts @ 2 ohms) for 2 channels
Powered by duel 55 amp Cascade Audio AC to DC converters.
For lsic, and lsiFX (2):
Outlaw Audio 7500 (300 watts @ 4 ohms) for 5 channelsSpeakers: LSi9 x 2, LSic, LSiFX x 2, Velodyne HGS-15
Amps & Power: Rockford Fosgate T8004 x 3, Cascade Audio APS-55 power supplies x 5, and 1 farad capacitor.
Electronics: Denon 3806, Toshiba HD-A1, & Sony KDL46XBR2
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15's, Aragon 2004 2ch with 200WPC @ 4ohm. Aragon 4004 should be there instead tomorrow with 400WPC @ 4ohm.
7's. B&K AV5000 5ch, 185WPC @ 4ohm. -
Markmarc,
Remember WPC does not necessarily equate to Quality, but you probably know that already.Michael
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LSi15s, LSiC, LSiFX powered by Outlaw 7500... 300x5 into 4ohms.
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I've run with:
Bryston 9b => 200+wpc into 4ohm (occasionally biamped)
Krell 300i => 300wpc into 4ohm
Adcom 555 => 300wpc into 4ohm
Adcom 565 => 500+wpc into 4ohm
Bryston 4b => 500+wpc into 4ohm
In order of prefference, I'd say 4b, 9b biamped (pseudo active), 565, 9b, krell, 555. Since you can't biamp the lsi25's that only applies to the LSi9's and I never put the 565's on the LSI9'sGallo Ref 3.1 : Bryston 4b SST : Musical fidelity CD Pre : VPI HW-19
Gallo Ref AV, Frankengallo Ref 3, LC60i : Bryston 9b SST : Meridian 565
Jordan JX92s : MF X-T100 : Xray v8
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LSI 15's = Odyssey Stratos Extreme, 165 w/chJC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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JanMike:
I do, just using the poll for background info for the LSi review.Review Site_ (((AudioPursuit)))
Founder/Publisher Affordable$$Audio 2006-13.
Former Staff Member TONEAudio
2 Ch. System
Amplifiers: Parasound Halo P6 pre, Vista Audio i34, Peachtree amp500, Adcom GFP-565 GFA-535ii, 545ii, 555ii
Digital: SimAudio HAD230 DAC, iMac 20in/Amarra,
Speakers: Paradigm Performa F75, Magnepan .7, Totem Model 1's, ACI Emerald XL, Celestion Si Stands. Totem Dreamcatcher sub
Analog: Technics SL-J2 w/Pickering 3000D, SimAudio LP5.3 phono pre
Cable/Wires: Cardas, AudioArt, Shunyata Venom 3 -
LSi15: 315 wpc in 4 ohms. Parasound HCA 1500-izafar
Goldenear Technology Triton 1 - Benchmark AHB2 - Benchmark LA4 - Auralic Vega - Auralic Aries Mini - Marantz TT-15S1 - Clearaudio Nano -
LSi 9's and 7's
Knight Monos ~45W Tube power
Carver A500x 400W / Channel SS
Counterpoint S-100 175W Hybrid Tube
Adcom 565 mono's: 450 W SS
All are plenty to run either speaker.There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin -
Rotel RB-980BX, then Simaudio Moon W-3 to LSi9's.
I am more concerned about the sonic characteristics of the amp instead of the total wpc.All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed and third, it is accepted as self evident. -
jm1 wrote:Rotel RB-980BX, then Simaudio Moon W-3 to LSi9's.
I am more concerned about the sonic characteristics of the amp instead of the total wpc.
Total agree. Having said that, have you tried other amps with the 9's?Michael
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I have since moved on to different monitors and do not have the 9's anymore. The W-3 is not going anywhere as I would need to invest significant $$ to better it.All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed and third, it is accepted as self evident.
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4 LSi15's, and an LSiC
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huh- JDH made me go look up the specs on the 565's and they really are only 450 watts. I thought I took a slight hit when I went to the 4b, but I guess not.Gallo Ref 3.1 : Bryston 4b SST : Musical fidelity CD Pre : VPI HW-19
Gallo Ref AV, Frankengallo Ref 3, LC60i : Bryston 9b SST : Meridian 565
Jordan JX92s : MF X-T100 : Xray v8
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Im very very happy with my Outlaw 7125 (190watts at 4ohms)My Iron Man training/charity blog.
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32" Sharp LCD. H/K dpr 1001 to Outlaw Audio 7900 to Polk LSi + Paradigm Studio center. Hsu DualDrive ULS-15. PS3/Wii. Outlaw 7900. -
Lsi15 powered by Halo A23 (200 Wpc @ 4Ohms)2 Channel
Vandersteen 3a Sigs
Music Reference RM-200
Hovland HP-100
VPI Scout w/ Benz Ace
Rotel RCD-1072
Cardas Golden Reference Speaker Cables
Cardas Golden Reference Interconnects
Cardas Golden Power Cords
PS Audio UPC-200HB
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9's with Adcom GFA-545. Made the clipping lights flicker once. Plenty of reserve. I'd say at least 100 watts of high current power if you have a medium listening area.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
System 1: Martin Logan Vantage, Rotel RC 1070, B&K Reference 200.2, Music Hall DAC 15.2, Yamaha 2300
System 2: LSi15 w/db840, Marantz SR8400, Rotel 1080, RM6800 (C&S), Sony X2020ES
System 3: LSi7, Yamaha SW215, Music Hall Maven, Music Hall MMF CD25 w/627opamps
System 4: RTi100, Harman Kardon AVR 230, Panasonic DVD -
Sony ES 9000 Receiver. It outputs 200 WPC into 4 ohms. The ES 9000 has a 4 ohm selector switch. The Sony ES 7100 would most likely work fine as well. I have 7 LSI's connected to the receiver, (four LSI 15, one LSI C, and two LSI 7's) (along with a PSW 1000) and it sounds just fine in an average size room. If I were to move into a larger area, I would consider a McIntosh 352 for the front LSI 15's. Using a Denon 5910 as the source, the LSi's sound terrific. I know many of the folks in this forum hate using receivers to drive LSIs. In general, I would agree with that. However, the ES 9000 can do the job in a normal moderate size room (and no extra boxes hanging around).
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I really liked the Earthquake Cinenova with the LSis. 600 watts @ 4 ohmsSharp Elite 70
Anthem D2V 3D
Parasound 5250
Parasound HCA 1000 A
Parasound HCA 1000
Oppo BDP 95
Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
Totem Mask Surrounds X4
Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
Sony PS3
Squeezebox Touch
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I've tried using a NAD 320BEE, SimAudio i-5080 and Krell 400xi. All did a reasonable job, the NAD was only spec'd at 50wpc but sounded more dynamic then the SimAudio. The SimAudio and Krell were more refined and sounded warmer.
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And how are you liking those Sttafs?I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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Lsi15's Parasound HCA 1500A 315w at 4 ohms
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LSi15's ASL AQ1003-DT tube amp 30 wpc Class ATheatre System 5.1
Sumsung HP-S5053 plasma
Receiver Denon AVR 3806 Pre/Pro
Parasound HCA 1500A amp (front L/R)
Parasound HCA 1000A amp (centre)
B & K AV5000 amp (bi-amp + surround)
Dynaco ST70 tube amp (Herbie HAL-O9)
polkaudio Lsi15 (Cherry) 2-channel
polkaudio Rti8 Front (Cherry)
polkaudio Csi5 Centre
polkaudio Rti6 Surround
polkaudio PSW1000 Subwoofer (Cherry)
Original A8T CD
Pioneer DV-275 DVD Player
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The Sttaf's were a somewhat forced purchase instead of an upgrade. I've moved into new digs and my living room is long and narrow, because of couch and television placements I have to put the speakers on the long wall opposite the couch and listen to it near field. I only have 10ft from wall to wall so I needed a speaker that didn't take up as much breathing room. The
Totem's have a very musical nature to them that is alot like the Polk's in terms of ease, but they bloom more on most material. Having said that I miss the dynamic's of the Polk's on the heavy stands I had them on. I've been really trying to get the Totem's to have the same control and impact my LSi9's have but can't quite get there yet. I'm going to try filling the bases with Cat litter next weekend and see if I can't tighten up the bass. I've also thought about placing the speakers on granite slabs as the under padding in my new place is thin and I won't be upgrading the floors untill mid next year. The speakers are 5 feet apart and 1" from the back wall, nothing on either side of them.
I had to get rid of my 30" Sony CRT in favour of a Toshiba LCD. I really miss the picture quality of the Sony tube, the LCD's have come along way but after calibration it still isn't as deep and transition scenes can get messy at times. -
Interesting... I fully echo your opinion on "impact". However, I find the bass to be as tight and controlled as "tight" can be, just maybe not the most extended.
edit: speaking in reference to the Arro, of course
and sorry for the derail -- carry on:oI never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
When I had some LSI, I put 900 watts to each of them, it was enough.
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