Amp Problems

Marcinko7
Marcinko7 Posts: 121
edited November 2006 in Electronics
Just received an Outlaw 750 amp that I purchased on Ebay. I've hooked it up and get nothing but a low hum in my speakers. Using brand new Monster THX RCA cables, double checked with older cables that I know work. Put in a new fuse. Speaker wires have banana plugs - kinda hard to screw them up. They work fine with AVR. My two channel amp works fine with pre outs - no problem there. I have the 12V mini-plug trigger operating correctly. The amp turns on, the light comes on but nothing happens. Does anyone have an idea? The seller's rating is 100% positive over 46 sales. He responded to my email saying that he used the amp every day up to a month ago and double checked it when it went in the box. He mentioned something about checking the bridging, don't know what he's referring to. I do have the amp plugged into a different wall socket than the AVR/DVD. Any suggestions would be appreciated, I am seriously bummed and slightly pissed. I want to do everything I can reasonably before trashing the seller's 100% rating. And I do have a service call into Outlaw.:mad:
Denon 3806 Receiver
Denon 3910 DVD
Oppo BDP-83 Blu-Ray
Outlaw 7500 300w x 5 @4 Ohms Amp
58" Panasonic 800U 1080P Plasma TV
SVS PB-12 Plus Sub
Lsi25 Fronts-Cherry
LsiC Center
LsiFX Surrounds
SMS-1 Velo Sub EQ
PBJ Interconnects
Blue Jeans Cables

Everything was going just fine till my buddy poked the cop in the chest and said "did Andy give you your bullet today Barney?"
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  • Frank Z
    Frank Z Posts: 5,860
    edited November 2006
    Do you have to turn on the prouts via the OSD for your AVR?
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited November 2006
    There may be a switch on the rear panel to allow the amps two channels to be bridged.Make sure it is not in that mode.
    Maybe the input switch (rear panel) is set to the balanced XLR inputs instead of unbalanced RCA.
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  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited November 2006
    Is there a switch for RCA/XLR options on the back of that amp?

    GV- You beat me to it!! :)

    Mike
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  • Marcinko7
    Marcinko7 Posts: 121
    edited November 2006
    No switch on the back and the front right and left preouts are functioning with the older amp. But thanks.:(
    Denon 3806 Receiver
    Denon 3910 DVD
    Oppo BDP-83 Blu-Ray
    Outlaw 7500 300w x 5 @4 Ohms Amp
    58" Panasonic 800U 1080P Plasma TV
    SVS PB-12 Plus Sub
    Lsi25 Fronts-Cherry
    LsiC Center
    LsiFX Surrounds
    SMS-1 Velo Sub EQ
    PBJ Interconnects
    Blue Jeans Cables

    Everything was going just fine till my buddy poked the cop in the chest and said "did Andy give you your bullet today Barney?"
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  • Frank Z
    Frank Z Posts: 5,860
    edited November 2006
    http://pdf.outlawaudio.com/outlaw/docs/750manual.pdf
    Check page 12 & 13.
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  • Marcinko7
    Marcinko7 Posts: 121
    edited November 2006
    Are you thinking its the internal fuses?:eek:
    Denon 3806 Receiver
    Denon 3910 DVD
    Oppo BDP-83 Blu-Ray
    Outlaw 7500 300w x 5 @4 Ohms Amp
    58" Panasonic 800U 1080P Plasma TV
    SVS PB-12 Plus Sub
    Lsi25 Fronts-Cherry
    LsiC Center
    LsiFX Surrounds
    SMS-1 Velo Sub EQ
    PBJ Interconnects
    Blue Jeans Cables

    Everything was going just fine till my buddy poked the cop in the chest and said "did Andy give you your bullet today Barney?"
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  • Frank Z
    Frank Z Posts: 5,860
    edited November 2006
    It's possible that the fuse(s) may be the problem. Opening the Amp is not heart surgery, take a few screws out and pop the top.
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  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited November 2006
    If the internal fuses are blown would he still be getting a "pilot" light, or "hum" to the speakers?
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  • Marcinko7
    Marcinko7 Posts: 121
    edited November 2006
    Good question - probably not - huh.
    Denon 3806 Receiver
    Denon 3910 DVD
    Oppo BDP-83 Blu-Ray
    Outlaw 7500 300w x 5 @4 Ohms Amp
    58" Panasonic 800U 1080P Plasma TV
    SVS PB-12 Plus Sub
    Lsi25 Fronts-Cherry
    LsiC Center
    LsiFX Surrounds
    SMS-1 Velo Sub EQ
    PBJ Interconnects
    Blue Jeans Cables

    Everything was going just fine till my buddy poked the cop in the chest and said "did Andy give you your bullet today Barney?"
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  • Frank Z
    Frank Z Posts: 5,860
    edited November 2006
    I don't know, but it ain't gonna kill a bunch of nuns and orphans if he opens it up and takes a peek.

    Have you tried running the amp and AVR without the trigger cable installed?
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  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited November 2006
    Yes...

    But opening the amp might kill any warranty at all if Outlaw will even allow it?
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  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited November 2006
    I don't doubt you, sounds like you know how to connect an amp to me. I hate to tell you this, but I think he shafted you?

    You can try disconnecting everything and try it all over again, you might come across a problem?

    Mike
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  • Frank Z
    Frank Z Posts: 5,860
    edited November 2006
    Dude! Go back and re-read the manual. If voiding the warranty was a concern they damn well wouldn't tell you how to replace the fuse or that if it continues to fail.....

    POP THE TOP FOR THE LOVE OF GAWD!!!!!











    J/K;) ...go have a look, you won't void the warranty.
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  • Dennis Gardner
    Dennis Gardner Posts: 4,861
    edited November 2006
    Bypass the AVR. Run directly into the amp with a source. It will be loud if it works, but you will know if the preamp inputs are active.
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  • surfntomm
    surfntomm Posts: 185
    edited November 2006
    id pop the top as well to see if anything obvious is wong (probably wont see anything but cant hurt to look). i second the idea of running a source directly into the outlaw (use an ipod or something so you can lower the volume down before playing since the amp will be running at full). im already guessing you double checked this but jsut in case, make sure that your speakers are correctly plugged in.
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  • Marcinko7
    Marcinko7 Posts: 121
    edited November 2006
    Opened the case last night - all the metal has been ripped away from every one of the RCA jacks, no input. Anyone want to buy a nice amp for $470. This is the first time I've ever bought used equipment and it will be the last.
    Denon 3806 Receiver
    Denon 3910 DVD
    Oppo BDP-83 Blu-Ray
    Outlaw 7500 300w x 5 @4 Ohms Amp
    58" Panasonic 800U 1080P Plasma TV
    SVS PB-12 Plus Sub
    Lsi25 Fronts-Cherry
    LsiC Center
    LsiFX Surrounds
    SMS-1 Velo Sub EQ
    PBJ Interconnects
    Blue Jeans Cables

    Everything was going just fine till my buddy poked the cop in the chest and said "did Andy give you your bullet today Barney?"
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  • Frank Z
    Frank Z Posts: 5,860
    edited November 2006
    REFUND TIME. You've still got all the info regarding seller I assume.
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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited November 2006
    Jeeesus.... that bleedin' sucks!!!
    Has the seller responded to any of your e-mails? Probably not...

    "Used" is the only way to go in this hobby, so I wouldn't necessarily swear it off. Just stick with Audiogon and the Flea Market here on this forum...

    Eff Fleabay

    I really hope it works out. Please keep us posted.
    I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited November 2006
    What do you mean the metal has been ripped away?? Can you post pics, I'm curious to see what is wrong?

    I'm sure you left neg feedback, did you try contacted the seller, Ebay, PayPal, about getting your money back?
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited November 2006
    sounds like a basic ground loop issue. Have you tried using a cheater plug to see if the hum goes away? (a 3 prong to 2 prong adapter)

    Just read your post about the metal being ripped away from the unit inside. Can you post a few pics? Outlaw has a transferable warrantee, have you tried calling them or sending them pics to see what they have to say?

    Michael
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    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
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  • Marcinko7
    Marcinko7 Posts: 121
    edited November 2006
    Steve with Outlaw has been working with me on it, the amp is out of warranty. I am sending him pics tonight and will post them here. He is not sure its worth putting more money into a 6-7 year old amp. I will begin a paypal claim tonight. I posted negative feedback and was looking for a response to my emails only to find out the seller is no longer a registered member of ebay. Smells kinda fishy don't it?
    Denon 3806 Receiver
    Denon 3910 DVD
    Oppo BDP-83 Blu-Ray
    Outlaw 7500 300w x 5 @4 Ohms Amp
    58" Panasonic 800U 1080P Plasma TV
    SVS PB-12 Plus Sub
    Lsi25 Fronts-Cherry
    LsiC Center
    LsiFX Surrounds
    SMS-1 Velo Sub EQ
    PBJ Interconnects
    Blue Jeans Cables

    Everything was going just fine till my buddy poked the cop in the chest and said "did Andy give you your bullet today Barney?"
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  • Frank Z
    Frank Z Posts: 5,860
    edited November 2006
    I found the sale and it appears that he's got a good feed back as a buyer but he's only sold 2 items.

    Guy's, you really need to look more closely at Ebay sales and buyer info.

    Marcinko7,
    Did you pay with a credit card?
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  • Marcinko7
    Marcinko7 Posts: 121
    edited November 2006
    No thats me with the 2 items, he had 49 with 100% positive. It was a paypal transaction.
    Denon 3806 Receiver
    Denon 3910 DVD
    Oppo BDP-83 Blu-Ray
    Outlaw 7500 300w x 5 @4 Ohms Amp
    58" Panasonic 800U 1080P Plasma TV
    SVS PB-12 Plus Sub
    Lsi25 Fronts-Cherry
    LsiC Center
    LsiFX Surrounds
    SMS-1 Velo Sub EQ
    PBJ Interconnects
    Blue Jeans Cables

    Everything was going just fine till my buddy poked the cop in the chest and said "did Andy give you your bullet today Barney?"
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  • Frank Z
    Frank Z Posts: 5,860
    edited November 2006
    http://myworld.ebay.com/wsnow/
    If this is the sale, he only had 2 prior sales and the rest were purchases.
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  • Marcinko7
    Marcinko7 Posts: 121
    edited November 2006
    Yep your right. He emailed me tonight saying that his mom had passed and thats why he hadn't returned my emails. Also says he will refund my money so maybe i'm not screwed. I will hold off on a formal complaint hopefully this will go away. Meanwhile the LSI's wake me up in the middle of the night moaning MORE JUICE...MORE JUICE. Please ignore the cable mgmt. I just moved in and have not tideyed up. Yes the cat is SATAN!
    Denon 3806 Receiver
    Denon 3910 DVD
    Oppo BDP-83 Blu-Ray
    Outlaw 7500 300w x 5 @4 Ohms Amp
    58" Panasonic 800U 1080P Plasma TV
    SVS PB-12 Plus Sub
    Lsi25 Fronts-Cherry
    LsiC Center
    LsiFX Surrounds
    SMS-1 Velo Sub EQ
    PBJ Interconnects
    Blue Jeans Cables

    Everything was going just fine till my buddy poked the cop in the chest and said "did Andy give you your bullet today Barney?"
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  • Frank Z
    Frank Z Posts: 5,860
    edited November 2006
    Somebody dropped that amp, and they dropped it pretty freakin' hard to do that much damage. I think the seller has a claim against the shipper based on the pics. Was it double boxed?
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited November 2006
    Hopefully it all works out good for you.
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  • Marcinko7
    Marcinko7 Posts: 121
    edited November 2006
    No but it was in the original box and it was Fedx not UPS (U Pay for Shrapnel).
    Denon 3806 Receiver
    Denon 3910 DVD
    Oppo BDP-83 Blu-Ray
    Outlaw 7500 300w x 5 @4 Ohms Amp
    58" Panasonic 800U 1080P Plasma TV
    SVS PB-12 Plus Sub
    Lsi25 Fronts-Cherry
    LsiC Center
    LsiFX Surrounds
    SMS-1 Velo Sub EQ
    PBJ Interconnects
    Blue Jeans Cables

    Everything was going just fine till my buddy poked the cop in the chest and said "did Andy give you your bullet today Barney?"
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  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited November 2006
    How was the box when you got it form FedEx??

    Like Frank said.... Looks like they played football with it! That amp was thrown across the truck a few to many times. Damn that sucks, nice to see the seller helping you out. Good Luck.

    Look at the poor little kitty kat, he looks a little upset too!;)

    Mike
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  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,606
    edited November 2006
    Looks like a LOT of chassis flex occurred. Other than bad handling, I don't know what else would cause that!
    I got a receiver that was all twisted one time. Not just dropped, but deformed. Shame.
    It could be fixed. The RCA's would have to be changed out to solder panel mount, and use good wire to jumper it back to the board inputs. How do the
    5 way binding post connections look?
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