How quickly some forget!!!
ND13
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She really was a traitor
A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED
KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS
AMERICA
This is for all the kids born in the 70's who do
not remember, and didn't have to bear the
burden that our fathers, mothers and older
brothers and sisters had to bear.
Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the
"100 Women of the Century." BY BARBRA WALTERS
Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still
countless others have never known how Ms.
Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country,
but specific men who served and sacrificed
during Vietnam .
The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot
The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.
In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF
Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison
the "Hanoi Hilton."
Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell,
cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was
ordered to describe for a visiting American
"Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane
treatment" he'd received.
He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was
dragged away.
During the subsequent beating, he fell forward
on to the camp Commandant 's feet, which
sent that officer berserk.
In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from
double vision (which permanently ended his
flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied
application of a wooden baton.
From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the
47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the
"Hanoi Hilton",,, the first three of which his
family only knew he was "missing in action".
His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.
His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and
clothed routine in preparation for a
"peace delegation" visit.
They, however, had time and devised a plan to
get word to the world that they were alive
and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny
piece of paper, with his Social Security Number
on it, in the palm of his hand.
When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a
cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each
man's hand and asking little encouraging
snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed
babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane
treatment from your benevolent captors?"
Believing this HAD to be an act, they each
palmed her their sliver of paper.
She took them all without missing a beat. At the
end of the line and once the camera stopped
rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs,
she turned to the officer in charge and handed
him all the little pieces of paper.
Three men died from the subsequent beatings.
Colonel Carrigan was almost number four
but he survived, which is the only reason we
know of her actions that day.
I was a civilian economic development advisor
in Vietnam , and was captured by the North
Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in
1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.
I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one
year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year
in a "black box" in Hanoi .
My North Vietnamese captors deliberately
poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a
nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South
Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the
Cambodian border.
At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs.
(My normal weight is 170 lbs.)
We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."
When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by
the camp communist political officer if I would
be willing to meet with her.
I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real
treatment we POWs received... and how
different it was from the treatment purported by
the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as
"humane and lenient."
Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky
floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched
with a large steel weights placed on my hands,
and beaten with a bamboo cane.
I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda
soon after I was released. I asked her
if she would be willing to debate me on TV.
She never did answer me.
These first-hand experiences do not exemplify
someone who should be honored as part
of "100 Years of Great Women."
Lest we forget..." 100 Years of Great Women"
should never include a traitor whose hands are
covered with the blood of so many patriots.
UNF*CKING BELIEVEABLE!!!!!
I'm old enough to remember this crap, and I'd have to believe that the majority of the people involved in picking the 100 women are too.
A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED
KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS
AMERICA
This is for all the kids born in the 70's who do
not remember, and didn't have to bear the
burden that our fathers, mothers and older
brothers and sisters had to bear.
Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the
"100 Women of the Century." BY BARBRA WALTERS
Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still
countless others have never known how Ms.
Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country,
but specific men who served and sacrificed
during Vietnam .
The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot
The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.
In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF
Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison
the "Hanoi Hilton."
Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell,
cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was
ordered to describe for a visiting American
"Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane
treatment" he'd received.
He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was
dragged away.
During the subsequent beating, he fell forward
on to the camp Commandant 's feet, which
sent that officer berserk.
In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from
double vision (which permanently ended his
flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied
application of a wooden baton.
From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the
47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the
"Hanoi Hilton",,, the first three of which his
family only knew he was "missing in action".
His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.
His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and
clothed routine in preparation for a
"peace delegation" visit.
They, however, had time and devised a plan to
get word to the world that they were alive
and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny
piece of paper, with his Social Security Number
on it, in the palm of his hand.
When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a
cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each
man's hand and asking little encouraging
snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed
babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane
treatment from your benevolent captors?"
Believing this HAD to be an act, they each
palmed her their sliver of paper.
She took them all without missing a beat. At the
end of the line and once the camera stopped
rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs,
she turned to the officer in charge and handed
him all the little pieces of paper.
Three men died from the subsequent beatings.
Colonel Carrigan was almost number four
but he survived, which is the only reason we
know of her actions that day.
I was a civilian economic development advisor
in Vietnam , and was captured by the North
Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in
1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.
I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one
year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year
in a "black box" in Hanoi .
My North Vietnamese captors deliberately
poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a
nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South
Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the
Cambodian border.
At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs.
(My normal weight is 170 lbs.)
We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."
When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by
the camp communist political officer if I would
be willing to meet with her.
I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real
treatment we POWs received... and how
different it was from the treatment purported by
the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as
"humane and lenient."
Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky
floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched
with a large steel weights placed on my hands,
and beaten with a bamboo cane.
I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda
soon after I was released. I asked her
if she would be willing to debate me on TV.
She never did answer me.
These first-hand experiences do not exemplify
someone who should be honored as part
of "100 Years of Great Women."
Lest we forget..." 100 Years of Great Women"
should never include a traitor whose hands are
covered with the blood of so many patriots.
UNF*CKING BELIEVEABLE!!!!!
I'm old enough to remember this crap, and I'd have to believe that the majority of the people involved in picking the 100 women are too.
"SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
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While I'm not old enough to remember Jane Fonda's actions when they were going on, I'd heard bits and pieces here and there. Honestly, I never paid it any more mind then that. It was history, and nothing was gonna change. Reading this, I'm kinda ashamed. Not that I voted in, or have even heard of, this greatest women honor. I guess I'm a good example of what happens when our history is ignored. Hearing first hand accounts from my grandfather about what happens in war, even when not a POW, I am and always have been a supporter of anyone with enough balls to put on a uniform in defense of our country. It doesn't matter if I agree or not with the policy behind the actions, these men and women always deserve our support.Wristwatch--->Crisco
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Vietnam vets are not fonda jane and neither am I.
F her.Skynut
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Who gives a ****.Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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Wow. I always heard she was a douchebag, but never quite understood the depths of her douchebaggery. If even 10% of that story is true, she should be tried for treason. Unreal.
Not surprising coming from Babwa Walters though.If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
bobman1235 wrote:Not surprising coming from Babwa Walters though.
Hey Bob...
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100 Years of Great Women happened in 1999, you're a little late. -
I don't care when it happened.
It just goes to show how quickly we forget things. Her actions caused the torturing and deaths of several of our military and she should/shouldn't ever be honored for anything.
There's a huge difference in voicing your opinion and going to the enemies nation and actively and voluntarily supporting their propaganda machine.
If people don't think that Vietnam is still prevelant in today's world, just ask John Kerry and John McCain. Politicians use their military service as a means to get elected or bash their opponent."SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
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ND13 wrote:I don't care when it happened.
It just goes to show how quickly we forget things. Her actions caused the deaths of several of our military and she should/shouldn't ever be honored for anything.
Ditto.
Eff her big time.Skynut
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So...did she make it to the 100's list????_________________________________________________
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HTrookie wrote:So...did she make it to the 100's list????
Apparently. After looking around a bit, the list was made in '99, there was a book that came out as well. On Snopes.com (I think) it said a couple of the accounts were denied by the people they were attributed to. Doesn't make her position any better, but whatever.Wristwatch--->Crisco -
ND13 wrote:Her actions caused the deaths of several of our military..
That part of the story about turning in the slips of paper and the men getting killed for it is BS.
You will be happy to know at her book signing here in KC last year, I guy waited in line, then when he got up to her he spit a blast of chewing tobacco on her.
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Parts are true and parts are untrue, but she still worked actively with the enemy during a time of war.
BTW, Walters isn't the writer of the e-mail, she was the person that put her on the list. She's the one who did the list."SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
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How can anyone forget Hanoi Jane who lived through the Vietnam era.
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Just as a note, I wasn't even a thought in someone's MIND in the Vietnam era (born in 1980), but : I never understood the animosity towards Vietnam vets after the war - a large number of them were DRAFTED. How was there so much hatred towards people who had little choice (aside from going to Canada) in what they did? Not that it would make it right if they were all volunteers... but this always confused me.If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
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bobman1235 wrote:Just as a note, I wasn't even a thought in someone's MIND in the Vietnam era (born in 1980), but : I never understood the animosity towards Vietnam vets after the war - a large number of them were DRAFTED. How was there so much hatred towards people who had little choice (aside from going to Canada) in what they did? Not that it would make it right if they were all volunteers... but this always confused me.
I've never understood it either and never will. They were following orders. Now were there atrocities?? I'm sure there were some. But to group all of the returning vets as baby killers and accuse them of war crimes is ridiculous.
Though history will view the Vietnam war as a loss for the USA, our actions there eventually had an impact on the death of communism in SE Asia. Other than China and Cuba there are really no communist nations left... are there??"SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
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More useless news to clog up the information highway...Who gives a ****.I don't give a **** either.
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PolkThug wrote:You will be happy to know at her book signing here in KC last year, I guy waited in line, then when he got up to her he spit a blast of chewing tobacco on her.
I was loving that piece of news when it broke.Skynut
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bobman1235 wrote:Just as a note, I wasn't even a thought in someone's MIND in the Vietnam era (born in 1980), but : I never understood the animosity towards Vietnam vets after the war - a large number of them were DRAFTED. How was there so much hatred towards people who had little choice (aside from going to Canada) in what they did? Not that it would make it right if they were all volunteers... but this always confused me.
Those people saw the soldiers as henchmen carrying out illegal activity. Like a leg-breaker for the mob. I agree with you that most were drafted, so how can you **** on them? But we see the exact opposite today because of the Vietnam war protests. Today the soldiers can do no wrong.
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You guys apparently didn't have friends that died in the stupid Vietnam war.
I have friends that died there and I have friends that were there and thought it was all BS.
The politicains lied to Americans during that war.
Remember the politicians saying "We can see the light at the end of the tunnel." Ten years later we were still dying there.
Every person has the right to peacefully protest again war if they want to.
Being able to peaceably protest any war is our American right.
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What she did, I wouldn't consider "peacefully" protesting. What she did was to get in bed with the enemy."SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE" -
Not to mention, she protested to the people who had no control over the war. The thing was a disaster because of politicians, not because of drafted soldiers who did what they had to.If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
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Jane Fonda?
I'd still hit it.
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bikezappa wrote:You guys apparently didn't have friends that died in the stupid Vietnam war.
I have friends that died there and I have friends that were there and thought it was all BS.
The politicains lied to Americans during that war.
Remember the politicians saying "We can see the light at the end of the tunnel." Ten years later we were still dying there.
Every person has the right to peacefully protest again war if they want to.
Being able to peaceably protest any war is our American right.
The scares and hate never heal.
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You'd hit a chair that she sat in last week Troy.
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Jane Fonda was simply utilizing her right to free speech, and she wasn't the only one! A whole lot of college kids & young adults at that time were doing the same thing. She just had more public recognition.
A whole lot was going on with the country at that time. The womans movement, the civil rights movement & the Vietnam War. There were protests, marches, beatings, assasinations, etc going on.
Most of it was against the "Government", and people were being beat up by the "Government" (ie law enforcement & National Guards) Now it's a lot harder to get up close to the President & call him a murderer & it would carry dire consequences.
So people went after the easier target, the soldiers who were just doing their duty!
People are essentially cowards. They won't go after the true source of what they dislike cause the source just might fight back! So they always go after the weaker target.
When U.S. District Court Judge W. Arthur Garrity's declared that the Boston Public School system should be desegregated & busing would start, nobody went screaming at him or stood outside the court or his house. He would have protection!
So instead the ignorant cowardly mobs went & stood outside yelling & screaming at the innocent kids who had to ride those buses!
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Anybody remember those pictures of her sitting in a VC anti-aircraft gun with a FLACK JACKET AND HELMENT ON. Same guns that shot at our B-52s.>
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Some of us even remember the generals and politicos making the bomber guys approach the targets on the same headings and at the same altitude, night after night. The bombers were getting ripped to pieces by the densest AA system in the world (at the time). She's an **** and so were those guys. Deal with it. When they die they're going to hell.
