Is it possible?

VR3
VR3 Posts: 28,644
edited November 2006 in Subwoofer Hookup & Bass Management
That Sid may not end up with a SVS?

Seriously considering some ACI subs...

http://www.audioc.com/speakers1/titanxl/titanxl.htm

or

http://www.audioc.com/speakers1/maestroxl/maestroxl.htm

Any thoughts?

However, that PC Ultra is awful tempting...
- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited October 2006
    Those will be a hell of a lot more musical than the SVS ported subs. You're gonna lose a few db's and you won't have the 16hz tune... but you'll get a more time & phase coherent sub.

    All said, it looks pretty good. The amp is a little on the weak side if you ask me, and for $2k on the big 'un, I'd go DIY with:
    1)$100 BFD for EQ & crossover duty
    2)$685 aurasound driver http://www.madisound.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?cart_id=3667263.21791&pid=98
    3)choose you own amp& build a sealed enclosure for $1200.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited October 2006
    I just dont think I could build one as good as they can, they sure know alot more about it than me.

    The Maestro is way out of my budget, but Id be willing to save a few pennies to get it.

    I checked out DIY, and while I would save a few pennies, I honestly just don't want to build one - even though I enjoy wood-working. I think it would be hard to beat a subwoofer like the Maestro - the Titan eh... I really dont want that subwoofer. I may end up getting the Ultra just because of price and I know what it sounds like. The Ultra is insanely quick...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited October 2006
    That is an awesome woofer you posted... very nice indeed.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited October 2006
    Do you have plans for that driver in a sealed??
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited October 2006
    Here's the thing- the BFD, R-DES and velodyne SMS-1 let just about anyone throw together a completely badass sealed subwoofer that'll knock the **** out of anything you can buy. It used to be you had to come up with a linkowitz correction circuit if you wanted a sealed subwoofer or get a plate amp with boost, but now you can take a better driver, better amp and throw on the active correction and still come out ahead.

    As for that woofer- yeah, there's an 18" version of it,too. They used an earlier version of it in the wilson XS subwoofer (http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/wilson_xs_sub.htm) and it's currently being used in the magico ultimates (see the link the in $100,000+ speaker thread)
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited October 2006
    Man...

    If I end up DIYing this, Im blaming it on you. I just want you to know that.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited October 2006
    Depends on the q you want. for .7 you'd need about 80 liters, stuff the hell out of it and make sure it's braced like a ****. for a Q under .55 (like an IB) you'd need more like 150-200 liters. That'd get you 107 db's at 20hz and you'd have the BFD or sms cut everything else back to the same level. Now, with the 3200 watt max, you wouldn't be anywhere close to bottoming it out and you could got to 113 db's at 20hz before you're in trouble.
    Gallo Ref 3.1 : Bryston 4b SST : Musical fidelity CD Pre : VPI HW-19
    Gallo Ref AV, Frankengallo Ref 3, LC60i : Bryston 9b SST : Meridian 565
    Jordan JX92s : MF X-T100 : Xray v8
    Backburner:Krell KAV-300i
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited October 2006
    Of course, the real question is, "How's your room?"... doesn't matter how good the sub is if it's in a crap room.

    Anyhow, there's no reason why you can't do a diy sub- especially a sealed one. Just don't forget that you'll have to eq it to get it flat.
    Gallo Ref 3.1 : Bryston 4b SST : Musical fidelity CD Pre : VPI HW-19
    Gallo Ref AV, Frankengallo Ref 3, LC60i : Bryston 9b SST : Meridian 565
    Jordan JX92s : MF X-T100 : Xray v8
    Backburner:Krell KAV-300i
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited October 2006
    I dunno...

    I emailed SVS and Im currently emailing ACI - Im a good ways from this, the 7u and the Candela are up before this, but its directly after...

    Will see what they are both willing to do for me... hahah
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited October 2006
    Yeah, in the meantime get your ears on a few sealed subs and a few ported ones and you'll start to see why people like the sealed ones for music. Check out IB if you got the space and TL if you feel like something exotic.
    Gallo Ref 3.1 : Bryston 4b SST : Musical fidelity CD Pre : VPI HW-19
    Gallo Ref AV, Frankengallo Ref 3, LC60i : Bryston 9b SST : Meridian 565
    Jordan JX92s : MF X-T100 : Xray v8
    Backburner:Krell KAV-300i
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited October 2006
    Yeah....

    Subwoofers are kind of a double edge sword for me...

    I want to be absolutely demolished for HT and enthused for music, dont know its there - but feel it...

    Trying to find the best of both worlds...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited October 2006
    Would you consider a Paradigm Servo 15 Sub? Love it hits hard good to 17hz at 106db if I remember right. Flat musical / works for for HT.

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


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  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited October 2006
    Those are nice subs, but SID without a SVS. Hmmmm.

    SVS = HT
    REL = MUSIC

    That is my life.
    Michael ;)
    In the beginning, all knowledge was new!
    NORTH of 60°
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited October 2006
    Steve...

    Is that you way of saying you are selling yours?
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited October 2006
    svs pb12 ultra plus 2
    Shoot the jumper.....................BALLIN.............!!!!!

    Home Theater Pics in the Showcase :cool:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showcase/view.php?userid=73580
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited October 2006
    Sid,

    Selling mine?

    No love it.

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


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  • tryrrthg
    tryrrthg Posts: 1,896
    edited October 2006
    Throw the Tumult in a sealed box. It will eat you for breakfast in your tiny room.

    More Tumult info
    Sony KDL-40V2500 HDTV, Rotel RSX-1067 Receiver, Sony BDP-S550 Blu-ray, Slim Devices Squeezebox, Polk RTi6, CSi3 & R15, DIY sub with Atlas 15
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  • Midnite Mick
    Midnite Mick Posts: 1,591
    edited October 2006
    Good time to buy a Tumult as they have been discounted everywhere lately.

    Also Kevin Haskins over at DIY cable is supposed to have some drivers soon that come close to the Tumult for a fraction of the cost. I don't think that they are listed at DIYcable.com yet but he has been discussing them over at the audiocircle if you want to further investigate.

    Good luck,
    Mike
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited October 2006
    Sid, with your woodworking skills, it would be a travesty for you not to build your own sub. The cost would be half of what you'd pay for a comparable SVS and your DIY sub is highly likely to be a helluva lot better for HT and music. My DIYer kicked the **** out of the SVS it replaced, and I don't have your skills, resources, or interest level. So stop pussyfooting around and make your own sub using real wood, dammit.
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited October 2006
    ^^ Agreed :)

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


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  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited October 2006
    With that said, what the hell are you waiting for?
    Michael ;)
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    NORTH of 60°
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited October 2006
    Haha, lots of crap are about to come into this room, and the sub is 3rd on the list...

    1st thing on the way...

    Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7u

    2nd thing on the way...

    Odyssey Audio Candela

    3rd thing, a subwoofer...

    Ill think about it, I kind of liked Ascendants TOTL woofer... looked beastly.

    So basically....

    If anyone wants any of the following, let me know...

    SVS PCi 22-31
    B&K PT5
    Definitive Tech BP10B (Modified and Original Enclosures)
    Onix XCD 88
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited October 2006
    It looks like if I were to make a comparable product to the PC Ultra, finished in solid wood - it would only be about 200-300 cheaper..

    Hmm
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • tryrrthg
    tryrrthg Posts: 1,896
    edited October 2006
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote:
    It looks like if I were to make a comparable product to the PC Ultra, finished in solid wood - it would only be about 200-300 cheaper..

    Hmm
    You don't want to use solid wood... MDF and veneer is the way to go. Unless you use baltic birch plywood, which is actually better than MDF just more expensive. Or "dump" all the money into the driver and build a sonosub. I know you like the cylinder subs, so go that route. You would only need less than one sheet of MDF and with your construction background you could probably find someone to give you an 18-20" diameter sonotube. Use your job to get a discounted pro amp and you've got yourself a dirt "cheap" kick **** sub.
    Sony KDL-40V2500 HDTV, Rotel RSX-1067 Receiver, Sony BDP-S550 Blu-ray, Slim Devices Squeezebox, Polk RTi6, CSi3 & R15, DIY sub with Atlas 15
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited October 2006
    I'd say MDF + veneer is better suited for a sub than birch... or even better: Since 1.5" MDF is hard to find, do the inner layer out of MDF and the outer from 3/4 baltic birch. Mixed materials are good for killing resonance.
    Gallo Ref 3.1 : Bryston 4b SST : Musical fidelity CD Pre : VPI HW-19
    Gallo Ref AV, Frankengallo Ref 3, LC60i : Bryston 9b SST : Meridian 565
    Jordan JX92s : MF X-T100 : Xray v8
    Backburner:Krell KAV-300i
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited October 2006
    My cost was actually 3/4 MDF + 3/4 Oak Plywood...

    Would be fairly expensive in the end...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited October 2006
    Hmmm... "Sid's Sonosub" -- even the name sounds good (unless you have a lisp).
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

    "God grooves with tubes."
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  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited October 2006
    Sid-

    You might want to wait it out if you are considering purchasing the Ultra.

    Rumor has it that SVS is working on a 14" Ultra at the moment that will blow the current one out of the water.

    Ron Stimpson (owner) has been hinting this on the forums.

    Mike
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited October 2006
    Ill most likely be looking to get a subwoofer in about 11 months...

    So hopefully by then, theyll have something...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited October 2006
    From what I hear it should be early 07. I'm sure it will be a killer!

    Mike
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