Dave Lombardo drum clinic

MacLeod

Found a bunch of clips of a Dave Lombardo drum clinic on YouTube taped from a simple camcorder so the sound isnt that great but its still pretty cool.

Dave Lombardo is the drummer for Slayer and is the Godfather of double bass and **** hauling speed metal. The first part of this clip is him playing the end of Angel of Death which is a smoking fast song. The speed of his double bass is just unreal!

If youre not a headbanger, this probably wont interest you.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=v5Pr83HOv8g

George Grand

Louis Bellson was playing double-bass before the guy was born.

Ern Dog

Used to be a big Slayer fan. He's lightening fast. Cool video

MacLeod

George Grand wrote:

Louis Bellson was playing double-bass before the guy was born.

I didnt say he was the first person ever playing them.

There were a lot of guys with double bass kits but nobody was playing them as dominately or as driving with as much power as Lombardo.

Hell, Keith Moon had a double bass kit but virtually never played them in anything other than solos.

Lombardo was the first drummer to use them as a main part of the music, bringing them up to the forefront.

George Grand

Billy Cobham, 1972 or thereabouts.

MacLeod

Oh yeah!! He's an excellent drummer! One of my favorite jazz players.

I really dug the stuff he did with Herbie Hancock.

I tell ya, Im a headbanger and all and thats where my loyalties lie but those jazz drummers are just the shiznit! The grooves they come up with are just astounding!

In rock you pretty much have a groove built in to the music but jazz bounces back and forth between so many different time signatures and rythms that its definitely the hardest style of music to play.

hearingimpared

I think his adrenal glands secrete methamphetamine. His hands are blursssss!

George Grand

Mac,

I am delighted to no end that you listen to stuff other than metal and headbanging. I thought for one reason or another that you were not into anything else. If you liked him with Herbie, try any one of his first three solo albums, which were before the Hancock pairing. "Spectrum", Crosswinds", or "Total Eclipse". He wrote all the music on all three.

MacLeod

Very cool. Ill definitely check those out. Thanks.

I am pretty much into metal. Id say about 85% of my library is made up of it but I still appreciate the talent and skill that goes into other forms, especially jazz and have been known to dig on some now and then.

George Grand

I'm not sure I'd classify the first three Cobham albums as jazz. In fact, they are all pretty FARKING HEAVY without the metal. Try "Spectrum" and it'll suck you right into the other two.

Normanality

I still enjoy my old Billy Cobham with Captain Beyond from way back.
That guy had rythm.

Now, a couple real pros, two of the best.......Animal and the legend Buddy Rich:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4vlLJKBwRU&mode=related&search=

George Grand

Buddy Rich wasn't human and doesn't count. Let's stop now before the Neil Peart guys come out from the cracks in the walls.

Karen Carpenter

WTF is Captain Beyond?

SCompRacer

Norm and Buddy Rich jammed together a long time ago.

George Grand

If it was after 1987, I think I know what one of his problems is.

SCompRacer

LOL Nope, further back. Pre deceased.

MacLeod

George Grand wrote:

Let's stop now before the Neil Peart guys come out from the cracks in the walls.

Too late!

Peart isnt the flashiest or fastest drummer but he is the best soloist. He just doesnt do 5 million mile an hour rythms and such, he makes it musical.

Peart at the Buddy Rich Memorial Show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bIchqJoxFQ&mode=related&search=

And another off one of their DVD's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIPAXNGq7HE&mode=related&search=

But god of drums as far as Im concerned is Mike Portnoty.

A little performance on their 91 tour
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqU1rrQFr0o

But the baddest thing ever is The Dance of Eternity. A wicked instrumental on their Scenes From a Memory CD. The time changes in this song are brutal and its the hardest song I ever learned to play. It only took me about a year but I can play it.....at least I could. I havent touched the drums in over 3 years. Anyway, check this out!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1Wp7b_ESuQY

George Grand

B-U-D-D-Y R-I-C-H

I am just so tired about hearing about Neil Peart and all the other pretenders to Buddy's throne.

MacLeod

Did you even watch the videos? You might be impressed.

George Grand

You think you're the first person to try and convince me that Peart might even be a hair on Buddy's ****? Seen plenty of his videos.

Buddy played with all the great names in jazz, and is revered as the best by most of the great rock drummers as well. Peart has played ......... with Geddy Lee. Incredible catalog.

MacLeod

Who says Im trying to convince you of anything? Youre getting paranoid in your old age.

Im just talking about 2 drummers I think are great and showing off a couple of their videos.

Normanality

ROFL!

The ole Peart Rich debacle LOL.

No, I aint gettin pulled in. I like each for their own contributions. I like Peart more mostly because of the day Buddy Rich was to give an all day clinic at my highschool back in '77. (pre-deceased). He showed up late, played for about an hour with the band, said very little, and expected to be paid for the day.

He was a complete asshat in all honesty.

Unlike Maynard or Bill Watrous, who spent their day playing, teaching, motivating kids to continue with jazz, BR did nothing. Just before he left, I got the chance to ask him "do you always play over your band?". (yes, it was a deliberate shot cuz we were all peeved). His reply was "people pay to see me, not the band"

Wrong answer.

Cool videos BTW! :cool:

George Grand

I once asked him for one of his drumsticks. He looked at me like I said something about his mom and told me "These things cost money."

Was he a scumbag? Yup.
Did he care about anybody but himself? Nope.
Was he the best that ever lived? Absotively.

Unfortunately, I'll be long dead when 30 or 40 years from now, none of the great drummers get together to record a "Burning for Neil" tribute album and video.

Norm, it's not the Peart/Rich debacle. Buddy always gets top billing. It's more like the Rich/Every Other Drummer That Ever Lived Debacle, which is no debacle at all. My own personal favorite being on the right side of the slash.

Normanality

True enough George. I've known quite a few professional drummers, mostly jazz of course, and everyone would say the same thing. BR was the consummate drummer. Still, I'd rather listen to other big bands with lesser persussionists due to my little experience. I'm stubborn that way

RuSsMaN

Track 4 (going through all of them now - BIG Slayer fan for years)....

Quote 'I play a little bit of Jazz - I play the feeling of Jazz, - who do I like - Buddy Rich - he played with fire - see his videos, he was sweating - he played with authority, aggression, fire.....'

Cheers,
Russ

heiney9

Rich vs. Roach. Find it; Buy it!! Buddy Rich vs. Max Roach some of the most enjoyable drumming I've laid my ears on. They are the true masters and most of the accomplished drummers will cite them all day long as their hero's.

Billy Cobham is another phenominal drummer as already mentioned Spectrum is excellent as well as the work he did with the George Duke Band.

Mitch Michell is another favorite of mine. Talk about playing a jazz style in blues/rock format. Live the guy is absolutely astonishing and plays on the edge more than any other drummer I've heard. He looses it occasionally, so to speak, and brings it right back like it was part of the song.

However, of the modern non-Big Band drummers there is no one better than Mr. John Henry Bonham. Bonzo's technique, speed, and swing type drumming has never been duplicated. His odd time signatures and the way he played behind the beat was and still is trying to be copied as is his single bass drum work. When Zep first got together and Carmine Appice asked Ludwig to give Bonzo the exact same blonde kit as he was playing in Vanilla Fudge, they used to hide his extra bass drum because they felt Bonzo didn't need a double because his foot was fast enough on the single bass. Eventually he agreed and got rid of it during the first months of the tour. Sure he was heavy and loud at times, but the groove he laid down was magical and he very very rarely made a mistake. He and JPJ's were the pistons of the machine and when they locked in together the results speak for themselves. Having over 350 live Zep shows I can attest to this.

H9

hearingimpared

RuSsMaN wrote:

Track 4 (going through all of them now - BIG Slayer fan for years)....

Quote 'I play a little bit of Jazz - I play the feeling of Jazz, - who do I like - Buddy Rich - he played with fire - see his videos, he was sweating - he played with authority, aggression, fire.....'

Cheers,
Russ

You just triggered a memory as to when I started liking Buddy Rich. Every Sunday evening my father would bring us over to my grandfather's house. We would crowd around the tv and watch the Ed Sullivan show. I remember watching Buddy Rich and getting goose bumps even at that young age and he was sweating and making faces and shaking his head etc, etc, etc.

jbc6

Back in the '70s and '80, Billy Cobham was every bit as good as Buddy Rich. But their styles are very different.

Check out some of the clips of Billy on youtube with George Duke and also the Mahavishno Orchestra. Drumming just doesn't get any better than that.

Two quotes from the Web:

""The jazz-fusion era produced three great drummers: Lenny White, who played with Return to Forever; Alphonse Mouzon, who worked with Weather Report; and Billy Cobham. Of the three, the Panamanian-born Cobham is without question the most fearsome.The first stickman to unseat Buddy Rich in the DownBeat readers poll, Cobham is responsible for some of the most awesome displays of drumming ever witnessed."

"Billy Cobham has fashioned a unique style that combines the brain-melting power of hard-rock rhythm keepers with the agility of jazz men: Imagine Led Zeppelin's John Bonham, the Who's Keith Moon and Elvin Jones all rolled into a singularly gifted musician."

I couldn't have said it better.

George Grand

Mouzon was the only one of the three who was not ambidextrous. I was at the concert in NYC in the early 70's for the big "drum-off" between Cobham and Mouzon. Cobham was with his "Total Eclipse" band and Mouzon was with Coryell's "The Eleventh House". Cobham ate him for dinner and spit him out. Mouzon faded into obscurity. Remember it like it was yesterday.

Billy's good, but he's no Buddy.

Mitch Mitchell became Jimi's drummer by the flip of a coin. Heads it's Mitchell, and tails it's Aynsley Dunbar (mine own personal favorite of all-time, Buddy's the greatest, but Dunbar's my favorite)

Rich vs Roach or Rich vs Krupa, they've both been in my collection for eons.

The jazz-fusion era resulted in far more than 3 great drummers. THAT list is long. But Lenny White was probably the coolest of the bunch, playing the drums with that ultra-cool Zorro hat on.

At a minimum the list would include:

Chester Thompson - Zappa, Weather Report
John Guerin - Tom Scott & The L.A. Express
Harvey Mason - Herbie Hancock's "Headhunters", The Brecker Brothers
Leon "Ndugu" Chancler - Weather Report, George Duke (before Cobham)
Narada Michael Walden - Mahavishnu Orchestra
John Hiseman - Coliseum
Airto Moreira - Return to Forever, his own recordings
Idris Muhammad - a lot of people
Ralph Humphries - Zappa, The Don Ellis Big Band
Tony Williams - Weather Report, Stanley Clarke, Alan Holdsworth, The Tony Williams Lifetime, Miles
Jack DeJohnette - too numerous to list

The contributions of almost all these individuals far eclipsed anything that Mouzon might've done. For the article to state that HE was one of the 3 great drummers to emerge from jazz-fusion does disservice to all the rest of these guys. After Cobham destroyed him live on stage that night, he released his own album "Funky Snakeboot" (which went nowhere) and then fell off the face of the earth.

MileHigh Guy

Narada Michael Walden? Let's be serious. He was a Billy Cobham wannabe, with very litttle of B.C.'s musicality and skill. As far as the Billy Cobham and Buddy Rich comparisons, I'm gonna have to side with jbc6 on that one. Back then, Rich and Cobham were on top. Personally, I always liked Cobham better than Rich. I always thought that Buddy was just a tad over-rated. But that's just me. I thought that Rich live was very good. But Cobham blew me away.

Billy Cobham is a lot better than "good." I also agree that he was every bit as good as Buddy Rich, without question.

Besides, at that level, it's a matter of taste.

George Grand

I think Mahavishnu John Mclaughlin might have a differing opinion of Walden's talents, but hey, you're probably the expert.

Cobham blew everybody away, but Buddy was, and still is, the benchmark. Think about all the incredible drummers who have come and gone through the ages. Who gets the tribute album? Thank you.

Normanality

Anyone ever heard of Rufus Jones?

Just curious. I was told years back he and Buddy did a show together and it was incredible. Two of the fastest drummers ever.

If you can survive the first half of the video, the last half is a drum solo by Rufus with the original Maynard Ferguson band. Must be back in the 50's.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xigtw_maynard-ferguson-band click zoom under the little screen for a slighty better view.