North Korea did what!

tommyboy
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edited April 2 in Clubhouse Archives
With all the problems and threats North Korea has made to the world, they had just did something no one expected...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060809/ap_on_re_as/koreas_floods

So it seems like south korea has agreed to help the north with flood relief. Do you think this will help the relationship at all between the north and south( and the U.S)?

And if you were south Korea, would you have given them aid?

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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited August 2006
    Hell Yes I would provide aid.... This is phenomenal news. And more importantly, an instance of the needs of the people transcending the "needs" of the leaders.
    I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited August 2006
    zombie boy 2000 wrote:
    Hell Yes I would provide aid.... This is phenomenal news. And more importantly, an instance of the needs of the people transcending the "needs" of the leaders.
    +1..
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  • Polk65
    Polk65 Posts: 1,405
    edited August 2006
    BFD. The DPRK will take whatever whenever.

    -1..
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited August 2006
    zombie boy 2000 wrote:
    Hell Yes I would provide aid.... This is phenomenal news. And more importantly, an instance of the needs of the people transcending the "needs" of the leaders.

    Agree, also. You take the high road and fight the good fight.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited August 2006
    They are one people, it is their political leaders that have different ideologies resulting in having divided their country,
    USSR=failure
    east/west Berlin=failure
    north/south Vietnamn=failure
    United/conferderate states=failure

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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited August 2006
    tommyboy wrote:
    Do you think this will help the relationship at all between the north and south( and the U.S)?

    Not a chance.
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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited August 2006
    RT hit the nail on the head

    (excellent analogies as well...)
    I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited August 2006
    Dont' be so pessimistic Dave. You're hopeful about Iraq (Shities/Sunnies; aren't you?), why not North/South Korea/US relations? Seems to me this is the lesser of two challenges, especially when you have a natural catatastrophe to bring the two Koreas together. Sure, it might not be for the reason we all hope for. But it IS a reason.
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  • markmarc
    markmarc Posts: 2,309
    edited August 2006
    Anytime you can help the oppressed people through humanitarianism you sow the seeds that can lead to the ending of a dictatorship. It shows the NK people that their "great leader" has failed them, AGAIN.
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited August 2006
    aaharvel wrote:
    Dont' be so pessimistic Dave. You're hopeful about Iraq (Shities/Sunnies; aren't you?), why not North/South Korea/US relations? Seems to me this is the lesser of two challenges, especially when you have a natural catatastrophe to bring the two Koreas together. Sure, it might not be for the reason we all hope for. But it IS a reason.

    It's not the people I'm worried about it, it's their governments.

    Besides, the answer I gave is what my Magic 8 Ball said.
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  • steveinaz
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    edited August 2006
    Good Karma applies to ALL things in life.
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  • BIZILL
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    edited August 2006
    steveinaz wrote:
    Good Karma applies to ALL things in life.
    then hopefully life treats you well because that harmony 659 karma has saved my button-pressing finger, big time! thanks again.

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    I have no facts to back that up, but I never let facts get in the way of my arguments.
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    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited August 2006
    No problem, enjoy.
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  • PhantomOG
    PhantomOG Posts: 2,409
    edited August 2006
    its people helping people. Many people in South Korea still have relatives in North Korea that they haven't seen or talked to in many years.

    Regardless of what impact it may or may not have on the governments, I fail to see how helping people in need is ever a bad thing.
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  • petrym
    petrym Posts: 1,912
    edited August 2006
    markmarc wrote:
    It shows the NK people that their "great leader" has failed them, AGAIN.
    Not really... NK will take all aid and repackage it to show that Kim Chong-Il has saved them again. They've done before.

    edit: fixed name
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited August 2006
    Demiurge wrote:
    It's not the people I'm worried about it, it's their governments.

    I actually feel the opposite. I am not afraid of one tyrant or government body with reasonable people under it's control. I am worried about the people themselves. Venezuela and Cuba are under tyrants, but if they died or were forced from power, the people for the most part are peaceful and want peace.

    On other hand, you have the middle east. Fanatical people under the control of radical religions and tyrants also. Not all of them, but too many to ignore. The difference is that instead of having to kill only the tyrant, we will have to kill them all eventually, before they kill us.
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  • up2youjoe
    up2youjoe Posts: 114
    edited August 2006
    I wouldn't give them a fukking crumb. The government will take the food and money and feed it's soldiers. Better they should all starve to death. N Korea is working on the missiles for Iran to use when it gets its nuclear weapons. Iran is pulling all the strings in Lebanon. It turns out that Israel is not fighting Hezbollah in Lebanon, they are fighting the Iranian guard. It's time to kill them all before they have a chance to kill us.
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited August 2006
    venomclan wrote:
    I actually feel the opposite. I am not afraid of one tyrant or government body with reasonable people under it's control. I am worried about the people themselves. Venezuela and Cuba are under tyrants, but if they died or were forced from power, the people for the most part are peaceful and want peace.

    No, actually you feel the same. That was my point....

    The government is the problem, not the people under it. Hence I am worried about the governments actions, not the actions of it's people.
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    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited August 2006
    up2youjoe wrote:
    I wouldn't give them a fukking crumb. The government will take the food and money and feed it's soldiers. Better they should all starve to death. N Korea is working on the missiles for Iran to use when it gets its nuclear weapons. Iran is pulling all the strings in Lebanon. It turns out that Israel is not fighting Hezbollah in Lebanon, they are fighting the Iranian guard. It's time to kill them all before they have a chance to kill us.

    YEAH! KILL 'EM ALL!

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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited August 2006
    Demiurge wrote:
    No, actually you feel the same. That was my point....

    The government is the problem, not the people under it. Hence I am worried about the governments actions, not the actions of it's people.

    In some cases it is the governments, but in the middle east no. Whether we are fighting Iran, Hezbozo, Al Qaida, Hamas, Al Sadr... who cares? They are all the same with the same goal - our destruction. If Iraq has a new government or not, the people want us dead. Sunni or Shiite, even if they fight each other, they both want us dead. As technology gets better, it will get worse. If a small group of people can get the materials needed for a large attack, what difference does it make what their government believes. Saudi Arabia is supposed to be our ally and the givernment would not attack us, but did that help on 9/11, when thier citizens did thier own thing?

    When we defeated Japan, it was the government we were fighting. They surrendered, it was over. The middle east is just a series of unending hydras. If Osama is killed, there are 1000 more to take his place. Thier chirldren are being raised to do that as we speak. To hate us. Palestinians have a terrorist camp for children, its a fact and I have seen the footage. I regret that that is our war, against a religion with no structure. Until we realize that, we will never win a war on terror. Unless we wipe them all out.
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited August 2006
    Not telling me anything I don't know, man.

    We're not talking about the middle east. We're talking about North Korea. :) Kim Jong Il is the problem in North Korea, not the people. Henceforth...I am not worried about them.
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  • PhantomOG
    PhantomOG Posts: 2,409
    edited August 2006
    Demiurge wrote:

    We're not talking about the middle east. We're talking about North Korea. :) Kim Jong Il is the problem in North Korea, not the people. Henceforth...I am not worried about them.

    I think the main difference in not worrying about the "people" is the difference in religions. Its kind of funny, we're spending so much time and effort in a region of the world where its going to be almost impossible to change people's views, and then you have places like North Korea where I honestly do believe change could happen, and we seem to just ignore it. Oh well, I'm not running the country so I guess I don't know all the details. :p
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited August 2006
    Demiurge wrote:
    Not telling me anything I don't know, man.

    We're not talking about the middle east. We're talking about North Korea. :) Kim Jong Il is the problem in North Korea, not the people. Henceforth...I am not worried about them.

    Just preaching to the quire. N. Korea does not worry me either, besides we already kicked his **** in Team America. Don't make me go into my ****, Dick, **** speech again Dem...
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited August 2006
    venomclan wrote:
    Just preaching to the quire. N. Korea does not worry me either, besides we already kicked his **** in Team America. Don't make me go into my ****, Dick, **** speech again Dem...

    :p

    I don't know, between Iran and North Korea I don't know what is the bigger threat. North Korea hosted some Iranian leaders at their missle launch last month.
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  • 2+2
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    edited August 2006
    Demiurge wrote:
    Kim Jong Il is the problem in North Korea, not the people. Henceforth...I am not worried about them.

    Bingo...talk about needing a regime change....I think the actual problem is China and its resistance to any type of action agaist that feudal lord....
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited August 2006
    PhantomOG wrote:
    I think the main difference in not worrying about the "people" is the difference in religions. Its kind of funny, we're spending so much time and effort in a region of the world where its going to be almost impossible to change people's views, and then you have places like North Korea where I honestly do believe change could happen, and we seem to just ignore it. Oh well, I'm not running the country so I guess I don't know all the details. :p

    That is the main difference.

    I'm not sure about Islam. They've got some really explicit text in the Koran, that they still stand by, so I don't know how they can remove thesmelves from that. Then again the brainwashing that goes on is unbelievable,

    The Middle East is a festering boil that needs to be dealt with sooner rather than later. If we just let them sit and fester they will only get worse as they get ahold of newer technologies. I think the only thing that is up in the air is the extent to which they will need to be dealt.

    Knowing what was about to happen in the U.S. and Brittain over the next 48 hours is the real scary thing. How do you fight an enemy that doesn't wear a uniform? How do you ignore it? You can't.

    It'll be interesting to see what happens with Israel now. I hope we let them keep going (seems stupid we're telling them whether or not they can defend themselves). They'll likely ignore it anyhow, and that's fine by me.
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  • BIZILL
    BIZILL Posts: 5,432
    edited August 2006
    you know, these monkey-fuccs terrorist muslims remind of the the part in the movie 'independence day', the part where the captured alien uses Data from 'star trek' to answer the president's question of "what is it that you want?" and then the **** alien says, "die, die."

    you see, we cannot change their stupid-**** minds. they hate us and want to annihilate us.

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    bobman1235 wrote:
    I have no facts to back that up, but I never let facts get in the way of my arguments.
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited August 2006
    BIZILL wrote:
    they hate us and want to annihilate us.

    Funny, that that doesn't sound much different from 'our' own train of thought.

    Strange how easy War can happen.
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  • BIZILL
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    edited August 2006
    i/we are in the right. you don't see us traveling on their planes trying to blow 'em up.

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    bobman1235 wrote:
    I have no facts to back that up, but I never let facts get in the way of my arguments.
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    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited August 2006
    BIZILL wrote:
    i/we are in the right. you don't see us traveling on their planes trying to blow 'em up.

    wasn't referring to who's right and who's wrong/who started it or who's going to finish it. I'm just simply expressing how easy a horrible thing such as War can happen.
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