Point of Woofers in towers?
KrazyMofo24
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I was wondering what benefits they provide if your using a sub. For example the Rti-10's. Are they strictly if you want to listen them 2-channel without a sub?
Setup:
2 Channel: Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand, T+A P 1230R, Primare SPA21, Oppo BDP-105
PC: Vienna Acoustics Haydn Grand, Cambridge Azure 650A v2 , Peachtree iDAC, Denon DVD-3800BDCI
2 Channel: Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand, T+A P 1230R, Primare SPA21, Oppo BDP-105
PC: Vienna Acoustics Haydn Grand, Cambridge Azure 650A v2 , Peachtree iDAC, Denon DVD-3800BDCI
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KrazyMofo24 wrote:I was wondering what benefits they provide if your using a sub. For example the Rti-10's. Are they strictly if you want to listen them 2-channel without a sub?
They fill in the frequencies between the lowest tweeter tone and the highest sub tone. -
While the 545 is a great amp. IMO its not enough to really get two 8" woofers going...
300 watts is about the min, IMO.- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
Back in the "olden days" when 2-channel ruled, and a SUB was a sandwich, real speakers had woofers.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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4 - 8" woofers can move alot of air...
But it takes a real set of woofers and a real amp to do it.
The RTi line isnt exactly a powerhouse series by any means. It does what it does and does it within reason.- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
steveinaz wrote:Back in the "olden days" when 2-channel ruled, and a SUB was a sandwich, real speakers had woofers.
And they still do!!!Political Correctness'.........defined
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Well... because movies and music require midbass. That way when a gunshot goes off or drums are a-rockin', you feel the punch from it. Typically a lot of those sounds are not sub frequencies. You want a full sound so you get a full speaker. Done!Never kick a fresh **** on a hot day.
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Let's take the LSi15 for example. Is that why it has the 8" sub in it, to provide a more fuller sound?Don't forget to look at My Home Theater
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After watching Munich with the Lsi7's/sub I was hoping the sub was going to give that effect like the 10's did. The sub helped a lot, but didn't have the thump when bomb's and shots were fired. So I'm going back to the 10's for HT. Thanks for the infoSetup:
2 Channel: Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand, T+A P 1230R, Primare SPA21, Oppo BDP-105
PC: Vienna Acoustics Haydn Grand, Cambridge Azure 650A v2 , Peachtree iDAC, Denon DVD-3800BDCI -
There is NO substitute for radiating surface area and a real man's amp.
Also, if you have a comptently designed amp and you aren't trying to drive either a pair of original Carver Amazings or Apogee Scintilla's the belief that you need hundreds of watts of power is largely not true.
Anyone who doubts this, come listen to my AR9's and my 75wpc tube amp.
BDTI plan for the future. - F1Nut -
TroyD wrote:Anyone who doubts this, come listen to my AR9's and my 75wpc tube amp.
BDT
But you're talking about a Tube amp vs. a SS amp, it's not apple to apple too me. :cool:
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Maybe, but the theory is still the same. I've heard big SDA's powered to earsplitting level, very competently by a little NAD 20wpc integrated or 50-60wpc rotel.
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Sell the 10's and get a better sub. I have 7's with SVS PCU and there is no problem for getting it sound great for both HT and 2.1 channel. I also have a pair of 15's but I haven't yet tried them in my HT setup, it might be better but there is nothing wrong with the 7's with a decent sub.KrazyMofo24 wrote:After watching Munich with the Lsi7's/sub I was hoping the sub was going to give that effect like the 10's did. The sub helped a lot, but didn't have the thump when bomb's and shots were fired. So I'm going back to the 10's for HT. Thanks for the info -
disneyjoe7 wrote:But you're talking about a Tube amp vs. a SS amp, it's not apple to apple too me. :cool:
Watts is Watts, only difference is how they clip.
BDT, I know 40W wasn't enough for the mags, they should be added to the "abuse amps" section. but I do agree whole heartedly on the point. The SDA1-B's that I had would be deafening at about 4W sustained and 20W transients (based off of carver analog meters)There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin -
True enough re the Maggies......
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Now if we can just break people out of the biamping kick and get them to buy Man's amps instead...There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin
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I prefer a Full Range speaker cause I think the sound is more coherent.
Nothing wrong with a sub to supplement sound. I think the more woofers you have the better cause it takes a lot air pumping to reproduce good sounding lows. If I had the money, I'd buy Legacy Whispers.
