Rti series bad in music?

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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited July 2006
    The million dollar question is, how do they sound to you on music? Asking opinions on speakers is like asking opinons on salad dressing---waaay too many flavors, taste.

    Speakers are where the rubber meets the road, they shape the tonal character of your systems sound---toss the opinions, throw away the spec sheets, and use personal preference to select speakers. Some people like hot treble, some don't. Some like lumpy bass, some don't...see where I'm going with this?
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited July 2006
    ^^^ dido

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


  • KrazyMofo24
    KrazyMofo24 Posts: 1,210
    edited July 2006
    I did some minor adjustments in speaker placement turned the treble down. Also tried several type of music out, Country, and Folk actually sounded decent, didnt think classical music sounded as good with the 10's. With most rock songs and techno, is where they sounded too bright but obviously theirs more highs in this genre. I'm happier with them now then I was last week I haven't tried out switching cables, right now im using these thick black sheilded monster cables that I got from my friend he said they were worth a $100 at best buy awhile back.

    Most of my music consists of CD's and MP3's I haven't tried any HD-audio or DVD-audio other than music played in DVD movies.

    Also on my H/K 335 when its on Stereo it displays Surround Off and DSP does anyone know a way to turn off the DSP?
    Setup:

    2 Channel: Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand, T+A P 1230R, Primare SPA21, Oppo BDP-105
    PC: Vienna Acoustics Haydn Grand, Cambridge Azure 650A v2 , Peachtree iDAC, Denon DVD-3800BDCI

  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited July 2006
    Leave your bass and treble "flat." You're at a level now where it's time to get rid of tone controls. They're evil.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
  • KrazyMofo24
    KrazyMofo24 Posts: 1,210
    edited July 2006
    That is true with me the midrange is the most important to me...thats what i'm going to focus on when selecting on a new pair of speakers.
    Setup:

    2 Channel: Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand, T+A P 1230R, Primare SPA21, Oppo BDP-105
    PC: Vienna Acoustics Haydn Grand, Cambridge Azure 650A v2 , Peachtree iDAC, Denon DVD-3800BDCI

  • bigsexy1
    bigsexy1 Posts: 557
    edited July 2006
    disneyjoe7 wrote:
    Rti bad for music I say not. I enjoy my RTi150 over my old Rt800i speakers for music. Rti have a soft dome tweeter the RT speaker have a tri-lam tweeter, the Tri-lam is listening fatiguing the RTi tweeter is not. May not be the best speaker for music, but not a bad speaker either.

    Bingo! The tweeter in that series with the 150s, 70s, etc. was much calmer and laid back than the trilams or the newer vifas to my ears too.

    DJ7, what amps you have on those 150s?
  • KrazyMofo24
    KrazyMofo24 Posts: 1,210
    edited July 2006
    Well how hard/expensive is it to change the tweeter and would that be a better solution then just buying new speakers?
    Setup:

    2 Channel: Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand, T+A P 1230R, Primare SPA21, Oppo BDP-105
    PC: Vienna Acoustics Haydn Grand, Cambridge Azure 650A v2 , Peachtree iDAC, Denon DVD-3800BDCI

  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited July 2006
    bigsexy1 wrote:
    Bingo! The tweeter in that series with the 150s, 70s, etc. was much calmer and laid back than the trilams or the newer vifas to my ears too.

    DJ7, what amps you have on those 150s?


    Thanks, the amps driving them are Parasound Halo A23's bridged mono. With an Onkyo 898 as pre / pro.

    BTW need to work on a signature ;)

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


  • dale 442
    dale 442 Posts: 98
    edited July 2006
    Leave your bass and treble "flat." You're at a level now where it's time to get rid of tone controls. They're evil.

    Oh yeah, first thing you need to learn is to UNlearn things that you have done in the past. Such as, where you bass and treble is set at. Zero is where they need to be.

    You need to learn how higher end audio should be listened to.

    In my case, I took my preamp (Carver) out of the loop and run my CD player directly to the power amp. My CD has aa "Variable audio out" (Volume control) thereby there is NO coloration of the sound, at least from the pre amp. And thus, NOOOO bass or treble controls. Once you do lose the NEED for these you will understand higher end audio.

    Let it be played the way the people produced the sound originally.

    Enjoy!
    Dale

    Polk SDA 2B's
    Carver TFM-45
    Sony X33ES CD-direct to Carver
    Samsung 4051D 40" LCD
    Samsung DVD
    Paradigm PS-1000
    Denon 1507 A/V receiver, video only
    Rti4's Front and Rear, video only
    CSI3 center, video only :rolleyes:
  • dale 442
    dale 442 Posts: 98
    edited July 2006
    Oh yeah, first thing you need to learn is to UNlearn things that you have done in the past. Such as, where the bass and treble is set at. Zero is where they need to be.

    You need to learn how higher end audio should be listened to.

    In my case, I took my preamp (Carver) out of the loop and run my CD player directly to the power amp. My CD has aa "Variable audio out" (Volume control) thereby there is NO coloration of the sound at least from the pre amp. And thus, I have NOOOO bass or treble controls. Once you do lose the NEED for these you will understand higher end audio.

    Let it be played the way the people produced the sound originally.

    Enjoy!
    Dale

    Polk SDA 2B's
    Carver TFM-45
    Sony X33ES CD-direct to Carver
    Samsung 4051D 40" LCD
    Samsung DVD
    Paradigm PS-1000
    Denon 1507 A/V receiver, video only
    Rti4's Front and Rear, video only
    CSI3 center, video only :rolleyes:
  • KrazyMofo24
    KrazyMofo24 Posts: 1,210
    edited July 2006
    Well I have been listening to it flat ever since I had these speakers until last nite just turned the treble down a bit, because a few people here recommended it. I'll turn it back to 0 going to try some room adjustments, I think having too much clutter and not enough space in this room is degrading the SQ quite a bit.
    Setup:

    2 Channel: Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand, T+A P 1230R, Primare SPA21, Oppo BDP-105
    PC: Vienna Acoustics Haydn Grand, Cambridge Azure 650A v2 , Peachtree iDAC, Denon DVD-3800BDCI

  • dale 442
    dale 442 Posts: 98
    edited July 2006
    Do they honestly sound bright (too much treble) to you????

    OR, not enough bass compared with the treble??

    HK is, in my experience very flat. What are your ears hearing today??


    Dale
    Dale

    Polk SDA 2B's
    Carver TFM-45
    Sony X33ES CD-direct to Carver
    Samsung 4051D 40" LCD
    Samsung DVD
    Paradigm PS-1000
    Denon 1507 A/V receiver, video only
    Rti4's Front and Rear, video only
    CSI3 center, video only :rolleyes:
  • KrazyMofo24
    KrazyMofo24 Posts: 1,210
    edited July 2006
    I love the bass, mainly I wish the midrange was better, and yes the speakers are a little too bright.
    Setup:

    2 Channel: Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand, T+A P 1230R, Primare SPA21, Oppo BDP-105
    PC: Vienna Acoustics Haydn Grand, Cambridge Azure 650A v2 , Peachtree iDAC, Denon DVD-3800BDCI

  • dale 442
    dale 442 Posts: 98
    edited July 2006
    Sorry for the apparent double post. Hmmm. Not sure how that happened.

    Dale
    Dale

    Polk SDA 2B's
    Carver TFM-45
    Sony X33ES CD-direct to Carver
    Samsung 4051D 40" LCD
    Samsung DVD
    Paradigm PS-1000
    Denon 1507 A/V receiver, video only
    Rti4's Front and Rear, video only
    CSI3 center, video only :rolleyes:
  • dale 442
    dale 442 Posts: 98
    edited July 2006
    So, we have now estabished that you have no issues with the bass of this system. Correct?

    Are you listening in two channel mode without the center channel or with it?

    Dale
    Dale

    Polk SDA 2B's
    Carver TFM-45
    Sony X33ES CD-direct to Carver
    Samsung 4051D 40" LCD
    Samsung DVD
    Paradigm PS-1000
    Denon 1507 A/V receiver, video only
    Rti4's Front and Rear, video only
    CSI3 center, video only :rolleyes:
  • Mike Reeter
    Mike Reeter Posts: 4,315
    edited July 2006
    When I was listening to the Clarity's I was comparing them to the Lsi15's before I made my decision to go with the 10's. I know the Clarity's are over twice the price since rti's are geared towards HT. Anyone have recommendations for a pair thats great in music, mids most importantly under a grand price range?

    Keep your RTi set-up for HT,pick up a pair of used SDA's and and decent amp,cdp and preamp.

    I recently purchased a pair of SDA 1C's for 500.
    I think for music,they can't be beat in that price range.