The myths of speakers

johnADA

RuSsMaN wrote:

John, best of luck on your crusade - save us from ourselves and good sound.

Prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, that those fancy cable names, fancy prices and so on, provide a signal of such greater quality that the average human ear and or eye can detect.
Then if you'd like get all the fancy equipment you'd like, which has allready been done by people a whole lot smarter than on these boards, and show us all where we are wrong.

Every time a test has been done, less than 50% pick the higher ended cables, yet will still stay with those higher ended cables after the test was done. Vanity, Ego, cost justification , weak minded all come to mind!!

RuSsMaN

See John, that's the difference between guys like you and guys like me. I'm in the hobby for the enjoyment of music. You are on a quasi crusade, for no real reason other than probably the deep need for peer recognition and validation. What do you care what other people like or don't like?

I personally don't give a **** what cables you use. I really don't, and the vast majority on this board don't either. You think you are the first one to bring the mighty cable debate to the table? Christ use the search function, you'll find plenty of posts to keep you busy debating - while you do that, I'm going to throw on some Alice In Chains, and start making a basic ragu for some pasta tonight.

Cheers,
Russ

LuSh

John, what kind of system are you presently using now? And what systems have you used in the past? I'm curious.

amulford

Yeah Yeah, he call himself the Rooster...

John, he's right. I don't give a red rat's **** what you use. I know what I like, but you don't hear me preachin' to the choir now do ya???

Think about it...

schwarcw

RuSsMaN wrote:

I'm going to throw on some Alice In Chains, and start making a basic ragu for some pasta tonight.

Cheers,
Russ

Ragu on your birthday? Move up to some Wolfgang Puck or Emeril's. They have to taste better 'cause they cost more right?;)

RuSsMaN

Homemade ragu. Ragu is a basic italian sauce, not the cheap stuff in a bottle on isle 3.

F1nut

johnADA wrote:

Prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, that those fancy cable names, fancy prices and so on, provide a signal of such greater quality that the average human ear and or eye can detect.

Prove that they don't. Try some for YOURSELF and maybe then you'd have a bit of credibility.




What time is dinner, Russ?

Toxis

but why should he try it? He's trusting "tests" that prove he's right that middle of the road cables are more than enough. Wait, so do we or don't we trust what we read on the internet??? I'm confused.

From what I've tried, I have A-B'd many different cables and get a different sound every time. Does that means one cable is better than the next? Nope. Just means they sound different. Now it's my opinion on which sound is better to me therefore I use the cables I do. Now am I saying my cobalt cables are the best? Nope. Just means they sound best on my system to my ears. 'Nuff said.

heiney9

John scribes to the Law Of Logical Arguement: Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

I dont need to try them to know that its snake oil, nor waste the money on them.

What a ludacris statement. Actually it's ridiculous to say that. I don't care what cables you use or what level of system you have, your arguement is so flawed it's comical. It's your reasoning I take issue with, not the outcome of your opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you have nothing to back up your blatherings other than generalities. And those generalities aren't even based on first hand experience.

H9

wingnut4772

I have tried a variety of cables in my system: Cobalt, Monster, Analysis Plus and now Dh Labs Q10. None of them sounded the same.

W WALDECKER

johnADA wrote:

Your talking between changing the cores to create a wanted outcome.

Were talking a generality that says if 2 things are made the same design way, same materials, it'll perform the same. This applies to your passive network also.
Names associated with being Audio/Video phile and costing ten times more wont change its performance!!!

Hey John, did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night ?

SCompRacer

W WALDECKER wrote:

Hey John, did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night ?

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!:D

EricBurg

I don't usually get involved in these threads, but I want to share my personal experience about changing Audio interconnects. I bought a rotel amp 1075 to run 5 channels of my 7.1 system, with the back 2 channels still running off my pioneer 1015. I truely believed that all cables (well constructed cables) would sound the exact same, so I purchased some fairly cheap RCA digital audio interconnects from the big orange. They sounded fine, couldn't really complain.

Ok, so I decided to purchase a Rotel 1080 to power my Rti10's. Well, instead of buying the same cables, I bought some Monster Cable ultra THX 600 cables. After setting everything up, the front stage just didn't sound the same. The Csi5 didn't tonally match the Rti10's like they did before. I just assumed that the difference in sound was because I had added a different amp and the change in sound was more due to differences in power/damping ratings.

Fast forward a few months...Radio Shack had their 4ft Monster ultra THX 600 cables on sale for less than $10, so I bought up a few for that price. I connected the new cables to my 1075 and listened. Suddenly, the front stage sounded tonally balanced again. I don't know how to explain the difference and wouldn't say that one sounded "better" than the other, but they definitely sounded different.

I know that these aren't "audiophile" quality cables or anything, but it sure proved to a skeptic that the audio differences are at least noticeable. So, I have to say that analog connections can make a sonic difference. In my case, I don't think this is the placebo effect, because I never expected to hear a difference and only changed the cables because I got such a good deal and they looked "better" in my equipment rack. it was just an accidental finding.

Eric

johnADA

Toxis wrote:

but why should he try it? He's trusting "tests" that prove he's right that middle of the road cables are more than enough. Wait, so do we or don't we trust what we read on the internet??? I'm confused.

From what I've tried, I have A-B'd many different cables and get a different sound every time. Does that means one cable is better than the next? Nope. Just means they sound different. Now it's my opinion on which sound is better to me therefore I use the cables I do. Now am I saying my cobalt cables are the best? Nope. Just means they sound best on my system to my ears. 'Nuff said.

One very intelligent post!!!

This also is the internet, you people are hobbyists and I should trust your non backable, I heard it myself judgements over the other stuff on the net.
The other things found through google searches, stuff posted on like Blue Jeans about cables by people whom are not just hobbyists, carry a level higher than a hobbyist are lieing. Very high regarded hobbyists, magazines you subscribe too and hoards of others have posted against it.
Tests were conducted from simple ohm and voltage passing to more complex signal generation and so fourth, yet there wrong because you hear it.
I'm suppose to waste hard earned dollars to join your peerism you seem to think I'm lacking.
Yeah I dont have post counts, but I have in the past for 8 years run my own automotive forum. Post counts belong to post **** whom just post to gather counts. They'll jump onto the majority side 99.9% of the time whether its right or wrong, so I'm to do that to join your peerism.
Along those lines I have a good couple of comparisons that fit exactly to this, but are automotive in nature.
First one of the air filter, you know, the K&N-Fram Air Hog drop ins etc etc etc makes more power than a factory one. Just about all factory ones are made with a surface area 2-3 times of flow need and combustion engines vacuum ability to create air flow. Now dirty anything and improvement, but clean one will not promote better anything over the other. You got MAF readings which dont sway between the lots, 1/4 miles time that dont say etc etc etc. But the big dogs use them so it must work. The only evidence found between these types is the amount of dirt that does pass through.But those makers say, OK, a little may pass through but it will do no damage. Do you have crap passing through that slightly alters the sound, video beyond what that particular maker of the device your using projected with normal wires so whats entering whouldnt have????

Or the spark plug wire debate. Our wires have the lowest resistance than brand 2 therefore it makes more power. Nothing there proves this at all over stock ones. Stock ones are made along with spark plugs with resistance for a purpose of not having the voltage spike back to the coil, find its own ground, make its own ground and only 10,000-15,000 volts is needed to make the firing sequence happen.The extra was made for varibles to protect against them. Now racing dont care, they want to make sure it fires 100 % of the time for the short duration there run and get replaced afterwards and running exotic fuels. This stuff was coined for racing and racing only, not daily drivers because it creates more problems then it theoretically solves.I dont see anyones stereo/ video toys as being racing, only used to compete, short durations. Is this change in signals the result of attempted feedbacks?? Again a unwanted or non designed by the maker of such equipment result??

Thats the only defense you could have because everything one could google with solid data only points to that fact.Does that make it better in Your Opinion, or still justifying ego,costs etc!!!
My side with data, not opinion states this and anyone is more than welcome to google it has PROVEN!!

heiney9

Still no facts to support your opinion and no admission you even tried to hear a difference. My opinion comes from my experiences; not what others state on the internet or any other second hand dissemination of information. Until you can form an opinion based on YOUR experiences you're nothing more than a looney quack who propagates baseless information for YOUR own ego.

F1nut

John, the only thing you've proven is that you're a bigger idiot than first thought.

Frank Z

Pulls up lawn chair and cooler full of beer....

Great fireworks eh!

Anyone read post #8?

PolkThug

John, this was my response to you on the power cord thread from May 12, it applies here as well:

PolkThug wrote:

John,

Basically, it doesn't really matter if a "widget" makes a real difference or not. If somebody thinks it does, and they enjoy their system more because of it, then its all good.

Regards,
Toby

audiobliss

PolkThug wrote:

John, this was my response to you on the power cord thread from May 12, it applies here as well:

I remember that. Thought it was great response then, too.

johnADA

heiney9 wrote:

Still no facts to support your opinion and no admission you even tried to hear a difference. My opinion comes from my experiences; not what others state on the internet or any other second hand dissemination of information. Until you can form an opinion based on YOUR experiences you're nothing more than a looney quack who propagates baseless information for YOUR own ego.

Facts, I could all day link you to facts that over power your self induced I CAN HEAR A DIFFERENCE, from respectable type people that are in the audio field, writers of magazines you subscrive too and more.

"" you even tried to hear a difference"" If this doesnt enforce my stance one iota even from yourself, you are dead locked into fantansy land. TRYING TO HEAR, thats a EXPERIENCE?? Sounds more like a form of self hypnotism. If you have to TRY TO HEAR, that means it isnt appartent without some strain and sounds more like you've convinced yourself it must exist.

"""Basically, it doesn't really matter if a "widget" makes a real difference or not. If somebody thinks it does, and they enjoy their system more because of it, then its all good."""
Yeah Polk Thug, thats the allowance of opinion,weak mindedness we are suppose to ignore. But to allow this type of crap which this board does 100 times more than others to get people whom have no experience to think is real and joing these masses of weak minded individuals, is beyond comprehension.

F-1 Nut, Idiot>>< All your doing is again jumping to the leading side, not right one, adding to your post count since you have nothing better to do going by your post count. Hell with all this time you take up posting, I wouldnt think you owned any audio eqiupment, wouldnt have the time to enjoy it!!

Poee7R

i went from the black AR ic's in my 2 channel system to kimber hero's. same length. i heard quite a difference.

and it was a difference i liked.

at the moment im using Home Depot small appliance electrical cord (12g) to go from amp to speakers until i find a better (intended for audio use) set.
and i honestly expect a difference, wether or not the difference will be what i want, im fairly certain it will be there.

shack

F1nut wrote:

John, the only thing you've proven is that you're a bigger idiot than first thought.

I disagree....I thought he was a big idiot from his very first post!

joeparaski

All this debate on cables, how about these things?....http://dakiom.com/ I've mentioned this in a post several months back. I'm only mentioning it again for those who are unaware of these "things".

opus

johnADA wrote:

F-1 Nut, Idiot>>< All your doing is again jumping to the leading side, not right one, adding to your post count since you have nothing better to do going by your post count. Hell with all this time you take up posting, I wouldnt think you owned any audio eqiupment, wouldnt have the time to enjoy it!!

Lol. This comment is used everytime someone gets into a pi#$ing match with F1. Next I'm waiting for the "my dad or brother has been an Electrical Engineer for 35 years" post


John, do me a favor and take a few minutes to proof your post. Punctuation and grammar are your friends.:p

sucks2beme

John, try to keep an open mind. Visit a couple of people who have built a good system. I had the opportunity to listen to some great gear in real world enviroments. There were several things that ran counter to my technical experience that I read here. Yet the senior members stood by their results.
I went with their suggestions, and was happy with the results.
Not everyone will be able to buy the really good stuff, but this place has helped me get a good bang for the buck. Yes, throwing money at cables
may or may not do anything, or sound worse. That's why there was a cable exchange program so members could try them without buying them.
I don't believe you're and idiot, but you're overthinking the situation.
(Although the little voices in my head are a bit peeved! they like AQ cables)
Chill for a while. Some of these guys might know something.

Toxis

johnADA wrote:

One very intelligent post!!!

thanks... just to bad I was contradicting you and showing off the flaws in your story. Thank you pull through.

LuSh

JohnADA, again you haven't answered my question. What system are you presently using?

wingnut4772

I am curious to know that also.

dorokusai

Spy Photo from outside the LR....

DAMCB

I just finished wiring my new LSi speakers with custom Signal Cable bi-wires and I was very impressed with the quality and sound. Part of the fun in buying new gear is the satisfaction that you get when you spend a little money for cables and feel that you have made an improvement to your system. Can I measure this- No way- but it's my money and I if I'm happy with my investment that should be all that matters.
I also believe, as a lot of others do, that you can reach a point where you are paying a lot of money for not that much return- But that's your choice!
Don