Powering the LSi series

mmcgehee
mmcgehee Posts: 64
edited July 2006 in Speakers
Hi everyone,

I'm new around here so I figured I break the ice with a question I've had for some time. I'm slowly putting together a HT with LSi15s, LSi9s, LSiC, and an SVS PB-12/Plus and I've heard that the LSi Series are difficult speakers to power properly, but I've also heard that they're very efficent speakers. It's just down right confusing so I figured I'd ask the experts. I'm probably 90% HT and 10% music, so what do you polkies recommend I power my set with?

I was thinking a Denon AVR-4306? but would I need seperate amplification?
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited July 2006
    I'm sure tha the HT folks will chime in,but in mt two channel system,I power my 15's with a anthem amp 2 and a tube pre,I would reccommend a seperate,at least for the mains. Welcome to CP. :)
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,008
    edited July 2006
    Second that,sep. 2 or 3 channel amp for the front.And bi-wire those puppies.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
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  • cheddar
    cheddar Posts: 2,390
    edited July 2006
    Looks like the 4306 is a stripped down version of the 4806 with a much weaker amplifier section closer in specs to a 3806. Notice how the THD goes from .05 at 8ohms to .7 at 6ohms. And the LSis are 4ohm speakers. I would not try to power them at volume with the 4306. You can get much more bang for your buck by getting a cheaper receiver with the features you want and amp the front stage as suggested above.

    I would give those 15s as much power as you can afford and worry less about the surrounds since they don't get nearly the workout on an HT track as the front stage. But others on here will probably recommend a multi-channel surround amp 'cause they're easier to balance all the speakers with. I think it depends on how much cash you can lay out. Best bang for the buck is still a quality two or three-channel amp. And you probably won't notice the difference in surround balance if you calibrate everything properly.
  • mmcgehee
    mmcgehee Posts: 64
    edited July 2006
    Thanks for the advice guys, I think I'll go with the 3 Channel Amp idea. Anyone have any brand recommendations? Not really sure what they run since I'm new to this, but I guess a price range would be $1500 or under.
  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited July 2006
    Either one of these will power ALL of your LSI's with ease! Welcome to Club Polk!

    http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampsmult&1155833513

    http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstran&1155912388
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
  • cheddar
    cheddar Posts: 2,390
    edited July 2006
    Just to show you the difference in bang for the buck, here's a three channel amp:

    http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampsmult&1154591635

    If you know your way around fleabay, you can also pick up a lesser known amp still factory sealed here for 700 to 800 something:

    http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=monster+mpa&category0=

    I did this and couldn't be happier with my 3 and 2 channel amp from monster. But you may want to go with a better known brand like the earthquake.
  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited July 2006
    This would be my choice. I own the AMP5 from Proceed and it will blow the doors off the Rotel and others alike. The guy is ROCK solid. Any additional info required, let me know. Good luck.

    Proceed 3CH Amp
    Michael ;)
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited July 2006
    I highly recommend the Earthquake Cinenova amp. It sounds terrific with the Lsi series.
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
  • Holydoc
    Holydoc Posts: 1,048
    edited July 2006
    Nice little discussion about Earthquake amp and Anthem P5 going on here:

    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=690339
    Holydoc (Home Theatre Lover)
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  • pblanc
    pblanc Posts: 261
    edited July 2006
    I too am interested in powering LSi's. In my case, I would use LSi9 fronts and an LSiC center. I have a yamaha 5960 receiver which I would like to use to drive the side and rear surrounds, and was thinking of using 6 channels of an Outlaw 7125 amplifier to biamp the LSi9's and the LSiC. Any thoughts?
  • ALWALLER
    ALWALLER Posts: 40
    edited July 2006
    You can not biamp with the Outlaw 7125 amplifier.
    Equipment
    Panasonic TC-P54S2 Plasma
    Scientific Atlanta DVR
    ONKYO TX-SR705 AVR Pre/Pro
    Outlaw 7125 7 CH Power Amplifier
    Toshiba A2 HD-DVd
    Panasonic BD-30
    Harmony 550 remote control
    LSi9 ( Mains )
    LSiC ( Center )
    PSB Ambient 2 Dipoles
    SVS 20-39 PCI Subwoofer
  • okiepolkie
    okiepolkie Posts: 2,258
    edited July 2006
    If you are just using the amplifier for the front three channels, as described, there shouldn't be any problems using the Outlaw for biamping.

    You could just use "Y" adapters from the L/R outputs to the L/R & SL/SR inputs. The L/R from the amp could be used for the tweeters, while the SL/SR could be used for the woofer section.

    pblanc, that would probably be a good idea in your particular situation, as that receiver wouldn't adequately power the LSi's.
    Tschüss
    Zach
  • ALWALLER
    ALWALLER Posts: 40
    edited July 2006
    Okiepolkie what are jumpers ? Do they split the output from one
    channel into two signals ? I have a Outlaw 7125 and i asked
    Outlaw if I could use it to biamp my LSI9 & LSC. an they said no.
    Equipment
    Panasonic TC-P54S2 Plasma
    Scientific Atlanta DVR
    ONKYO TX-SR705 AVR Pre/Pro
    Outlaw 7125 7 CH Power Amplifier
    Toshiba A2 HD-DVd
    Panasonic BD-30
    Harmony 550 remote control
    LSi9 ( Mains )
    LSiC ( Center )
    PSB Ambient 2 Dipoles
    SVS 20-39 PCI Subwoofer
  • okiepolkie
    okiepolkie Posts: 2,258
    edited July 2006
    Brain **** passed, so post #14 is edited :)
    Tschüss
    Zach
  • sickicw
    sickicw Posts: 456
    edited July 2006
    I would also bi amp all your speakers. I have a Outlaw 755 and only use it to bi amp my lsic. if you really want them to sound really dynamic and you have a big enough budget, you might want to try installing two 20 amp dedicated circuits and plug in a Outlaw 755 (or any other amp) into each. Then bi-amp every speaker.
    Speakers: LSi9 x 2, LSic, LSiFX x 2, Velodyne HGS-15
    Amps & Power: Rockford Fosgate T8004 x 3, Cascade Audio APS-55 power supplies x 5, and 1 farad capacitor.
    Electronics: Denon 3806, Toshiba HD-A1, & Sony KDL46XBR2
    Accessories: Anti-IC interconnects, 8 Mondo Traps from Realtraps, and Salamander furniture.
  • sickicw
    sickicw Posts: 456
    edited July 2006
    I would also bi amp all your speakers. I have a Outlaw 755 and only use it to bi amp my lsic. if you really want them to sound dynamic (with little current compression) and have a big enough budget, you might want to try installing two 20 amp dedicated circuits and plug in a Outlaw 755 to each. Then bi-amp every speaker.
    Speakers: LSi9 x 2, LSic, LSiFX x 2, Velodyne HGS-15
    Amps & Power: Rockford Fosgate T8004 x 3, Cascade Audio APS-55 power supplies x 5, and 1 farad capacitor.
    Electronics: Denon 3806, Toshiba HD-A1, & Sony KDL46XBR2
    Accessories: Anti-IC interconnects, 8 Mondo Traps from Realtraps, and Salamander furniture.