Sony 7100 ES + RTi12s

Sherardp

So I just ordered my new RTi setup online from Crutchfield, question I have is will the Sony 7100ES Receiver be enough to power the Rti12s, the CSi5 and the FXi3s or should I invest in the Outlaw 7125.

My second question is if I do go with the outlaw will the power from the receiver and the amp be driving all speakers, as you may notice this is will be my first power amp purchase and using one, so I just wanted a little info.

Nice forum by the way I've been reading posts for about 3 weeks and finally took the time to join. Thanks

XJRGUY

Definitely invest in the external amplification.

I have a Sony STR-DA777ES that I use and before I added my amps to my system I had no IDEA what I was missing.

When you buy the amp(s) they will be powering the speakers unless you configure it some other way.

Do not attempt to hook up the amp and the receiver to the same speaker unless you bi amp or bi wire the speaker.

A receiver, no matter what brand can do only so much.

Outboard amplification is almost a requirement to get what you want out of the speakers you purchased.

Think of it this way. If you bought a Lamborghini, would you only put 87 octane in the tank to run it?

Same with the big Polk speakers. They need clean, available power and that is something separate amps provide.

Sherardp wrote:

So I just ordered my new RTi setup online from Crutchfield, question I have is will the Sony 7100ES Receiver be enough to power the Rti12s, the CSi5 and the FXi3s or should I invest in the Outlaw 7125.

My second question is if I do go with the outlaw will the power from the receiver and the amp be driving all speakers, as you may notice this is will be my first power amp purchase and using one, so I just wanted a little info.

Nice forum by the way I've been reading posts for about 3 weeks and finally took the time to join. Thanks

Holydoc

Sherardp wrote:

So I just ordered my new RTi setup online from Crutchfield, question I have is will the Sony 7100ES Receiver be enough to power the Rti12s, the CSi5 and the FXi3s or should I invest in the Outlaw 7125.

My second question is if I do go with the outlaw will the power from the receiver and the amp be driving all speakers, as you may notice this is will be my first power amp purchase and using one, so I just wanted a little info.

Nice forum by the way I've been reading posts for about 3 weeks and finally took the time to join. Thanks

Those RTi12's love the power. I would buy the biggest, baddest amp you can afford. I went for the 200wattsx7 channel outlaw amp to power mine and could not be happier.

As XJR stated, you will be plugging your amp into your receiver. The speakers should be powered directly from your amp and NOT the receiver. This puts the strain on the amp (where it belongs) and turns your receiver into a pre-amp and reduces the strain for it to perform.

dipiazza

Welcome to the club!

That Sony is a MONSTER! Im sure the outlaw would be benificial, but why not give the reciever a try first? My guess is you will probably be more than satisfied with what you already have, the sony is putting out 170wpc and the ES series is supposed to be quality. Give it a try with the reciever first, if your not happy try the external amp! Good luck!

dipiazza

Oh yea, what subwoofer are you using?

shiu

dipiazza wrote:

Welcome to the club!

That Sony is a MONSTER! Im sure the outlaw would be benificial, but why not give the reciever a try first? My guess is you will probably be more than satisfied with what you already have, the sony is putting out 170wpc and the ES series is supposed to be quality. Give it a try with the reciever first, if your not happy try the external amp! Good luck!

That makes a lot of sense. The 7100 is quite powerful and is 4 ohm capable. There is nothing to lose to try it out first.

XJRGUY

shiu wrote:

That makes a lot of sense. The 7100 is quite powerful and is 4 ohm capable. There is nothing to lose to try it out first.

There is nothing to lose, but I seriously DOUBT that receiver is putting out that kind of power to each channel.

Sony pads their numbers just like almost everyone else out there.

I'm not knocking them, shoot I have one of their legendary past flagship products.

There is only so much ONE box can do, and a receiver is a compromise any way you slice it.

My RTI12's now enjoy a possible 600 watts per channel of clean, tested power.

You might not want or need that much, but outboard amps will only help your situation.

If you are near Los Angeles, I'd be more than happy to demonstrate!

XJRGUY

shiu

XJRGUY wrote:

There is nothing to lose, but I seriously DOUBT that receiver is putting out that kind of power to each channel.

Sony pads their numbers just like almost everyone else out there.

I'm not knocking them, shoot I have one of their legendary past flagship products.

There is only so much ONE box can do, and a receiver is a compromise any way you slice it.

My RTI12's now enjoy a possible 600 watts per channel of clean, tested power.

You might not want or need that much, but outboard amps will only help your situation.

If you are near Los Angeles, I'd be more than happy to demonstrate!

XJRGUY

Based on measurements I read on that Sony (see link), I thought he should try it out first.

http://ultimateavmag.com/avreceivers/1005sony/index5.html

600 WPC would be great for the RTi12, no arguments there, but an amp that could do 600 (or even 300) clean and tested WPC, even a 3 channel one would cost much more than the RTi themselves.

Sherardp

thanks for the info guys, I just received my CSI5 and FXi3s today, Im still waiting on the 12s to ship out, the sub I just bought is the SVS PB12- Plus 2 so Im waiting on that as well. I guess you can say Im completely overhauling my setup from a lowend yamaha setup. I also decided to go with the Outlaw 2200 monoblocks, one per Rti12 speaker in a bi- wire setup. Other than that I will run everything else off the Sony 7100 ES, any objections to this?

dipiazza

Its gonna sound saweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

Holydoc

Sherardp wrote:

thanks for the info guys, I just received my CSI5 and FXi3s today, Im still waiting on the 12s to ship out, the sub I just bought is the SVS PB12- Plus 2 so Im waiting on that as well. I guess you can say Im completely overhauling my setup from a lowend yamaha setup. I also decided to go with the Outlaw 2200 monoblocks, one per Rti12 speaker in a bi- wire setup. Other than that I will run everything else off the Sony 7100 ES, any objections to this?

You are going to biwire from the monoblock? I suppose that will work if that is what you want to do, but I have not seen an advantage to bi-wiring.

You are getting a rocking system!

cfrizz

Congrats & welcome!

You are going to have a great system. However, I agree with with HolyDoc. Just let the monoblocks handle all of the power requirements for the 12's.

Sherardp

I thought by running the 12s in a bi wire configuration I would be pushing more power to them. As in with the Outlaw 2200s, 200 watts to the low freq and 170 watts to the high freq from the AVR.

I just want the best sound I can get from this setup so if just running the rti12s off the monoblocks will provide maximum power then I will try it that way.

shiu

Sherardp wrote:

I thought by running the 12s in a bi wire configuration I would be pushing more power to them. As in with the Outlaw 2200s, 200 watts to the low freq and 170 watts to the high freq from the AVR.

I just want the best sound I can get from this setup so if just running the rti12s off the monoblocks will provide maximum power then I will try it that way.

If you use the Outlaw for the low freq and the 7100ES for the high freq, you are more than just bi-wiring, you would be bi-amping. As for bi-wiring, many people claim it does not make any difference electrically, but that is a misconception. In fact if it is done correctly, it does make a difference electrically, whether it would make your system sound better is a different matter. Many speaker manufacturers recommend bi-wiring, but bi-amping, especially actively, offers more advantages.

Sherardp

yeah so I would want to Bi-amp the speakers then, correction. Thats what I plan to do is bi- amp then. Kinda new to whole seperates topic so thanks for the help gents.