Center Channel -- Traditional vs. Single Bookshelf

Early B.
Early B. Posts: 7,900
edited June 2006 in Speakers
I know some of you guys have used a single bookshelf speaker as a center channel instead of a traditional center channel speaker. Generally, what is the difference in SQ?

I am contemplating a change in my center channel (currently using an Ed Frias modded BIC DV-62CLRS) and was wondering what the pros and cons were of using a single bookshelf speaker. Room size is 13 x 20 x 8.

Thanks.
HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

"God grooves with tubes."
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited June 2006
    I used an LSI9 as a center compared to the dedicated LSIC center ONLY because I was really disappointed with the LSIC. Generally speaking I think a dedicated center is a good way to go. That's what I have now.
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
  • malikarshad
    malikarshad Posts: 527
    edited June 2006
    I had tried both Lsi9 and LsiC for my HT but eventually kept LsiC due to more wide sound dispersion than Lsi9.
    Lsi9 was good if you are in sweet spot but if you are off axis then it doesn't sound as good compared to LsiC.
    I would have choosen Lsi9 if i was the only one watching movie in the sweet spot but that wasn't the case with me.

    Speakers=>Salk Soundscape 8, Soundscape Center,Surrounds-Dali Rubicon LCR, Lsi7
    PreAmp, Amp => Marantz AV8801, ATI 6007 amp, Oppo HA-1 DAC
    Source => Sonore MicroRendu, Oppo BDP-103, Mede8er 600XD, Dune HD Smart D1, Synology DS1813+(16TB)
    Sub - JTR Captivator S2 (Dual 18")
    Power - Furman IT-Ref20i on dedicated 30Amp circuit with Furutech GTX-R outlet
    Screen=> JVC RS-45 projector Da-Lite HP 133" 2.35
  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited June 2006
    OK, thanks for the responses.

    I can probably get away with a bookshelf speaker because 99% of the time it's just my wife and me watching a movie, and we sit directly in front of the TV/center channel.
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

    "God grooves with tubes."
  • honestaquarian
    honestaquarian Posts: 3,209
    edited June 2006
    Early B. wrote:
    OK, thanks for the responses.

    I can probably get away with a bookshelf speaker because 99% of the time it's just my wife and me watching a movie, and we sit directly in front of the TV/center channel.
    If that is normaly the case(you and your wife being the only ones watching)then it shouldn't be a problem.What happens with a lot of home theaters is some people are sitting off axis.What Polk does with their center speakers is use the cascade tapered array.Which rolls off the high end of one of the woofers BEFORE the crossover to the tweeter.This makes the off axis frequency response smoother and you don't have the problems that Malikarshad mentioned above.
  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited June 2006
    I was experimenting with the use of a bookshelf speaker today as a center channel and decided that a center channel is better. They both sound good, but the center channel speaker provides lots more soundstage, even when sitting on axis.
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

    "God grooves with tubes."
  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited June 2006
    I run two CSi40's above and below my Sony 34" TV, and really like the impact. I also experimented with using a pair of RTi38's below the TV, splitting the center channel pre-out into the right/left channels of a 2 ch power amp. If it had not been for the challenge of getting the RTi38's to fit I would of went with this setup. You can then angle the two bookshelves out slightly and you really fill a room with the center channel dialogue.
    DKG999
    HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED

    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited June 2006
    I'm also loosely considering using a pair of bookshelf speakers (at least temporarily) in lieu of a center channel speaker. I don't have a separate amp, so the only way I can hook both of the bookshelf speakers up is by sharing the center channel binding post on the receiver (one speaker using spades and the other using bananas). Will this work?
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

    "God grooves with tubes."
  • tryrrthg
    tryrrthg Posts: 1,896
    edited June 2006
    Early B. wrote:
    I was experimenting with the use of a bookshelf speaker today as a center channel and decided that a center channel is better. They both sound good, but the center channel speaker provides lots more soundstage, even when sitting on axis.
    When doing this did you have the bookshelf mounted vertically (like it should be) or horizontally. just curious...
    Sony KDL-40V2500 HDTV, Rotel RSX-1067 Receiver, Sony BDP-S550 Blu-ray, Slim Devices Squeezebox, Polk RTi6, CSi3 & R15, DIY sub with Atlas 15
  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited June 2006
    tryrrthg wrote:
    When doing this did you have the bookshelf mounted vertically (like it should be) or horizontally. just curious...

    Good point. Had it vertical for the demo. I'm sure I could play around with placement and the receiver's settings to make the bookshelf sound better, but eventually I'd probably end up with another center channel.
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

    "God grooves with tubes."
  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited June 2006
    I am going to try another center also but I am limited to putting them above the TV because it is a pedestal style DLP. I am just going to have 1 big row and see how it sounds.
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited June 2006
    I am just going to have 1 big row and see how it sounds.

    Ooohhhh. That's sounds interesting. Please let us know how it works!!

    Add pics, too.
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

    "God grooves with tubes."
  • jldude
    jldude Posts: 17
    edited June 2006
    Are there certain bookshelfs that functions well singly as a center? It was suggested to me that I use my RT55i single speaker (I only have one which I bought off of ebay) as a center. If I were to do that which mains will match up well?
  • honestaquarian
    honestaquarian Posts: 3,209
    edited June 2006
    jldude wrote:
    Are there certain bookshelfs that functions well singly as a center? It was suggested to me that I use my RT55i single speaker (I only have one which I bought off of ebay) as a center. If I were to do that which mains will match up well?
    If you look at my response above about the cascade,tapered array that Polk uses for their center channels.You might find that the RT-55i is IDEAL since it uses the same type of thing.I believe the bottom woofer is rolled off before the crossover to the tweeter.Only the top woofer is crossed over to the tweeter.So it might just work great.Let me know how it turns out.