bad-bad DRM!

diversia
diversia Posts: 1
edited November 2006 in Music & Movies
Hi, people!
Forgive me if I post off topic..... and for my inglish
Does anyone know how to beat DRM-protection on audio files, bought online??? I's so depressed - it's impossible to use my new mp3-player (((
:D
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited June 2006
    Seems vaguely inappropriate to be tellin ga newbie how to do something illegal on the forum....
    If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited June 2006
    yeah dude, while polk corporate is usually pretty hands off here, this type of discusion in frownded upon. there's plenty of other area's on the net where it is discussed.
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  • beerman
    beerman Posts: 1
    edited June 2006
    bobman1235 wrote:
    Seems vaguely inappropriate to be tellin ga newbie how to do something illegal on the forum....

    He's asking about drm-convertors! I've seen some & they ensure their legality!
    http://www.soundtaxi.info - check this
  • Strong Bad
    Strong Bad Posts: 4,278
    edited June 2006
    Well well, new single post members inquiring about illegally breaking DRM audio encryption.

    :rolleyes:
    No excuses!
  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited June 2006
    Well well, new single post members inquiring about illegally breaking DRM audio encryption.

    :rolleyes:

    But John....There is an internet site that ENSURES their legality...It must be LEGAL! :confused:
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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited June 2006
    "I's so depressed" that I wasted a minute reading/responding to this thread:rolleyes:
    I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
  • jdhdiggs
    jdhdiggs Posts: 4,305
    edited June 2006
    Well, I guess its been answered, time for thread to die, legal or not.
    There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin
  • ledhed
    ledhed Posts: 1,088
    edited June 2006
    Taking DRM off is not illegal, as long as you use the song only in its limitations.
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited June 2006
    ledhed wrote:
    Taking DRM off is not illegal, as long as you use the song only in its limitations.

    I love how people continue to assume this no matter how many times it's argued. It is ILLEGAL to remove DRM. If what you said were true, what would be the point in having it? If you just trusted that people could remove it on a whim and NOT copy it, then couldn't you just not have DRM at all and trust everyone? It's teh exact same thing.
    If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
  • ledhed
    ledhed Posts: 1,088
    edited June 2006
    The point of DRM is so the song won't be copied a million times for friends or put up in P2P networks. If he only wants to play it with his Mp3 player, there is nothing wrong.

    Of course, it seems he may be trying to pull something because when I bought an mp3 player, I made sure it would work with my downloaded songs.
    God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. - Romans 5:8
  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited June 2006
    ledhed wrote:
    The point of DRM is so the song won't be copied a million times for friends or put up in P2P networks. If he only wants to play it with his Mp3 player, there is nothing wrong.

    Of course, it seems he may be trying to pull something because when I bought an mp3 player, I made sure it would work with my downloaded songs.

    I'm not trying to be a dick here (really!) but your logic makes no sense. If you're going to have DRM, then it has to be illegal to defeat DRM for ANY reason. It HAS to be. Think carefully and slowly about this. Pretend waht you're saying IS legal. You download a song legally. It has DRM encoding in it. You immediately defeat this DRM encoding. What was the point of the encoding?? The point of the DRM is that the RIAA DOES NOT TRUST YOU to not share the song. If they wanted to let you defeat it legally, why not just send it to you without DRM, and trust you? If they're letting you take teh DRM off yourself, you're just saying that they trust you not to share the song once you've defeated it. Why did they have it in the first place if they trust you? Did it accomplish ANYTHING? No. Seriously. If you disagree, read what I just typed again, until you get it.
    If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
  • Strong Bad
    Strong Bad Posts: 4,278
    edited June 2006
    shack wrote:
    But John....There is an internet site that ENSURES their legality...It must be LEGAL! :confused:

    Damn, I missed that. The website said it was legal, so it must be. My bad! :D
    No excuses!
  • ledhed
    ledhed Posts: 1,088
    edited June 2006
    Ok, so I read a little more indepth, got very confused at all the blurred lines, rubbed my eyes and read it again. It is illegal to remove DRM, not illegal though to find other ways to get it on your mp3 player, like a different program that could somehow trick your player into playing the file but, I really don't think that would be possible.

    Anyway, it seems removing it is illegal but, navigating around it is not.
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  • HiPerf360
    HiPerf360 Posts: 436
    edited June 2006
    I'm going to remove the labels from my mattress....

    I'll be back later.
  • Strong Bad
    Strong Bad Posts: 4,278
    edited June 2006
    HiPerf360 wrote:
    I'm going to remove the labels from my mattress....

    I'll be back later.

    Forwarding this post to the authorities....
    No excuses!
  • ananova
    ananova Posts: 1
    edited July 2006
    and I just not interested at all if it's legal ot not... :D
  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited July 2006
    No, but some other people may be interested. Good luck of future posts!
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  • TheReaper
    TheReaper Posts: 636
    edited July 2006
    :D
    Note: If content is licensed to you, your use of that content is subject to the license terms, and enforced by contract law (not necessarily copyright law). For example, downloaded content where you clicked through a license agreement (either at signup or the time of download), or computer programs where you agreed to the license at install time.


    As for the DMCA, here is the pertenant portion (more or less), from the US Copyright Office Summary:


    Copyright Office Summary: The Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998

    Section 103 of the DMCA adds a new chapter 12 to Title 17 of the U.S. Code.

    New section 1201 implements the obligation to provide adequate and effective protection against circumvention of technological measures used by copyright owners to protect their works.


    Section 1201 divides technological measures into two categories: measures that prevent unauthorized access to a copyrighted work and measures that prevent unauthorized copying(*2) of a copyrighted work. Making or selling devices or services that are used to circumvent either category of technological measure is prohibited in certain circumstances, described below. As to the act of circumvention in itself, the provision prohibits circumventing the first category of technological measures, but not the second.

    This distinction was employed to assure that the public will have the continued ability to make fair use of copyrighted works. Since copying of a work may be a fair use under appropriate circumstances, section 1201 does not prohibit the act of circumventing a technological measure that prevents copying. By contrast, since the fair use doctrine is not a defense to the act of gaining unauthorized access to a work, the act of circumventing a technological measure in order to gain access is prohibited.

    (*2)“Copying” is used in this context as a short-hand for the exercise of any of the exclusive rights of an author under section 106 of the Copyright Act. Consequently, a technological measure that prevents unauthorized distribution or public performance of a work would fall in this second category.


    Section 1201 proscribes devices or services that fall within any one of the following three categories:

    - they are primarily designed or produced to circumvent;

    - they have only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent; or

    - they are marketed for use in circumventing.


    No mandate

    Section 1201 contains language clarifying that the prohibition on circumvention devices does not require manufacturers of consumer electronics, telecommunications or computing equipment to design their products affirmatively to respond to any particular technological measure. (Section 1201(c)(3)). Despite this general ‘no mandate’ rule, section 1201(k) does mandate an affirmative response for one particular type of technology: within 18 months of enactment, all analog videocassette recorders must be designed to conform to certain defined technologies, commonly known as Macrovision, currently in use for preventing unauthorized copying of analog videocassettes and certain analog signals. The provision prohibits rightholders from applying these specified technologies to free television and basic and extended basic tier cable broadcasts.


    Savings clauses

    Section 1201 contains two general savings clauses. First, section 1201(c)(1) states that nothing in section 1201 affects rights, remedies, limitations or defenses to copyright infringement, including fair use. Second, section 1201(c)(2) states that nothing in section 1201 enlarges or diminishes vicarious or contributory copyright infringement.
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  • TheReaper
    TheReaper Posts: 636
    edited July 2006
    Also, most of the drm/copy protection requirements, come from licensing requirements. For example, in order to license CSS (dvd copy encryption), the manufacturer must agree that their device will not output upconverted signals of copy-protected material over analog connections. This is why up-converting dvd players sold in the U.S., only output up-conversion of copy-protected dvds over hdmi/dvi hdcp, and not over component outputs.
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  • Toxis
    Toxis Posts: 5,116
    edited July 2006
    I be confused y this still open. Great... now I've gone retarded. YAY! Someone tell me how to copy music onto an MP3 player!!! I LOVE COMPRESSED SOUND! Weak sound quality, weak mind.
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  • Klifford
    Klifford Posts: 1
    edited November 2006
    Here's one more anti-DRM guide: http://www.nomoredrm.com :)))
  • BaggedLancer
    BaggedLancer Posts: 6,371
    edited November 2006
    what's going on with all these 1 post wonders in this thread?
  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited November 2006
    Can you say **** spammers? I knew that you could.
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  • BaggedLancer
    BaggedLancer Posts: 6,371
    edited November 2006
    I did say that, but I didn't type it.
  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited November 2006
    Odd. Seem they join various forums to post the question, then never return to the ones they didn't like the response.

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited November 2006
    Bad juju times 3.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited November 2006
    having 2000 posts makes no difference if you have only said the same things for 2000 posts.

    RT1
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited November 2006
    Well then, poo nuggets, poo nuggets, poo nuggets.........:D
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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