bad flea market deal

steveinaz

What should have happened is that he should have sent your checks back with an apology on the sale falling thru---that would be completely acceptable as we all have hard times now & then. What I don't like is the fact that he's not sending buyers checks back---that's wrong, period.

dorokusai

I'm sorry to hear of you two having issues with MSkeezer. I hope it gets resolved amicably.

I sent him a concerned email but until he responds here publically or privately, there's not much that can be done. I think it tarnishes the FM a little bit beings it's from a 20+ member of it...and as a frequent seller myself, I don't think that's cool.

If it ends up being a 100% non-compliance problem, then he should be removed from "The List" alltogether and subsequently banned.

rskarvan

What does "going through rough times" and "Failure to ship goods that have been paid-in-full" have in common?

I have no sympathy for non-shippers. File a lawsuit.

szhleppy

rskarvan wrote:

I have no sympathy for non-shippers. File a lawsuit.

By no means do I have any sympathy for "non-shippers".

However, this type of a statement will result in the FM being shut down. Do you think Polk really wants to be involved in legal issues over the FM?

RuSsMaN

rskarvan wrote:

What does "going through rough times" and "Failure to ship goods that have been paid-in-full" have in common?

I have no sympathy for non-shippers. File a lawsuit.

Kind of like saying 'I give him 3 out of 4 stars for integrity' eh?

Cheers,
Russ

wodom1

Maybe you guys should make a call to the Granite City Police Dept.

Granite City Police Dept
(618) 451-9760
2330 Madison Ave
Granite City, IL 62040

dorokusai

I can just imagine that conversation..."Polk what?"..."Flea Market?...Where are you calling from again?".....

Polkersince85

One can walk to the library, use their system and e-mail a note. No excuse for this. Check the local pawn shops, the items may be "stored" there.

amulford

No excuses. If you can't get to a computer, there is a thing called a phone. Hard times or not, it's common courtesy.

shack

In rare cases I will make a notation of Flea Market deals gone bad. This is one of those. I am not going to get into the business of "he said" ..."he said"...so any individual PM of a bad FM deal will not receive any notation on "The List". If however one of the parties goes public and posts, giving the other party a chance to respond, and/or others speak up and verify the situation then it is a disservice to the forum not to mention it on the list. The editing is at my discretion and will only be used in the most egregious cases. This will not be used when there was "poor communication" or "bad packaging", "dings", etc., but will be used in situations where money was lost or public prodding was required to get payment or gear delivered. The good deals will remain and the problem noted. From that point it is buyer beware.

AGAIN...negative information will be only posted on the rare occasion I feel it is warranted.

brettw22

If he lived anywhere near Chicago I'd go over and pick up the gear to get it shipped, but he lives on the other side of the state......

Good luck guys.

mrbigbluelight

guts tell me on this one to wait for final judgement.

First, I'll have to say that I haven't lost any time/money/trust on any deals with MSkeezer. So one would be justified in saying that I have no basis for offering an opinion.

Second, I will say that I am a firm believer that a person's word is their bond. Mean what you say, say what you mean, and keep to your word.

Having said that, however, a story on the news recently came to mind while looking at the older, linked post that MSkeezer made concerning his family situation.

MSkeezer's was headed for a divorce, with kid(s). By all appearances, he appeared to be handling rather well, as well as those situations can be dealt with. He is, of course, not the first man to go through a divorce, nor will he be the last.

But.....to the story on the news lately.

A man (doctor) and his wife and kids were at a motel (on vacation ?).
They woke up that morning, both needing to use the bathroom.
The woman asked the husband, "Hey, could I use the bathroom first ? I really have to go".
He replied, "Sure, hurry up, though".

So she goes into the bathroom, does her thing, and comes out.

The room is empty. No husband, no kids.

The door to the 15th floor balcony is open.

She goes out, looks around.

15 floors down are her two kids and her husband.

He had taken the kids and tossed them off the balcony, than jumped himself.


......now, I am NOT saying that MSkeezer has checked into some hotel somewhere, getting ready to fly.
But perhaps, just perhaps, this apparently-from-a-search-of-previous-posts normal guy has hit the wall. His handling of the divorce has headed south, big time. Thoughts he would never have thought of before, he is now thinking. Actions he would never had done before are now in the realm of possibility. Such as betraying the trust of those to whom he has given his word.

I, of course, have absolutely no basis for thinking this. None whatsoever.
Other than my "guts".

Which is why I say, hold off on judgement for a bit.
Again, nothing to back up that call for patience.

But......wait a bit.

brettw22

Good lord..........there's the feel good post of the year.......:rolleyes:

danger boy

OK people. help is there for the asking. If a person IS in need of help.. could be anyone you know... all that person has to do is ask for help from someone. To many times we hear stories like the one that MBBL mentioned. and it doens't have to be so difficult at all.

I know my post is off topic to the original thread.. but if anyone gets in over their head some time... all a person has to do is speak up.. and someone will listen.

heiney9

danger boy wrote:

OK people. help is there for the asking. If a person IS in need of help.. could be anyone you know... all that person has to do is ask for help from someone. To many times we hear stories like the one that MBBL mentioned. and it doens't have to be so difficult at all.

I know my post is off topic to the original thread.. but if anyone gets in over their head some time... all a person has to do is speak up.. and someone will listen.

Sounds rational to me. BUT many times if people are to the point that MBBL sited in the news they are no longer rational and simply feel no one can help.

As far as the lawsuit, across state legal remedies can be costly in both time and travel. The very first step is to send him a formal demand letter which officially outlines what you expect now and what you will specifically do and within a specific time frame.

I had a smiliar experience on e-bay and was days away of constructing and sending a demand letter. It takes the situation to the next level, but you have to be prepared to follw through all the way to small claims court. In my situation I believe it would have been up to him to appear in small claims court in my state or default the judgement in my favor. Luckily I didn't have to take it that far.

H9

reeltrouble1

The "i have problems" is getting really old, what problem is it to go to a post office/fedex/ups and mail a member an item they have PAID FOR!!!!!!

It's not OK.

Not to even mention it's illegal.

RT1

ohskigod

just getting this off my chest kinda helped. Many think this might not be a write off, and I sure as hell hope your right.
If he makes good, I will certainly report it as such very clearly. I HOPE that friggin hotel story isnt MSeezer, jesus christ, I'm gonna be depressed all day hearing that one, eeeeesh!

amulford

That's utter crap. Hey, if it's over it's over. The kids had nothing to do with it. I hope that c*cksucker burns in Hell for eternity...

Mike682

I recently (April) bought an amp from Thomas. He was a little slow in getting the amp out to me but when I got it, it was packed very well and was in great condition. He seemed like a good guy to deal with and I was very surprised to hear what recently happened to the other members.

The post that mentioned the horrible news story about a father (doctor) and his kids reminded me about the box the amp was in: he sent my amp in a box that was used for life imaging materials from Kodak. A little wierd I thought. I really hope this was just a coincidence and the news story has nothing to do with Thomas.

In the end, I hope he comes through and delivers the said merchandise to the new owners.

If this does not get resolved through Thomas I wonder if the forum could get together, sum all monies owed to the three parties (ohskigod, zero, and the other person [don't know who it is]) and help those who lost their money to Thomas:

I am willing to start and offer $20 toward the pool

dorokusai

The IL incident has nothing to do with MSkeezer for gosh sakes.

Mike682

dorokusai wrote:

The IL incident has nothing to do with MSkeezer for gosh sakes.

good

shack

Mike682 wrote:

IIf this does not get resolved through Thomas I wonder if the forum could get together, sum all monies owed to the three parties (ohskigod, zero, and the other person [don't know who it is]) and help those who lost their money to Thomas:

I am willing to start and offer $20 toward the pool

Nice gesture...Bad precedent.

DollarDave

Mike682 wrote:

I recently (April) bought an amp from Thomas. He was a little slow in getting the amp out to me but when I got it, it was packed very well and was in great condition. He seemed like a good guy to deal with and I was very surprised to hear what recently happened to the other members.

The post that mentioned the horrible news story about a father (doctor) and his kids reminded me about the box the amp was in: he sent my amp in a box that was used for life imaging materials from Kodak. A little wierd I thought. I really hope this was just a coincidence and the news story has nothing to do with Thomas.

In the end, I hope he comes through and delivers the said merchandise to the new owners.

If this does not get resolved through Thomas I wonder if the forum could get together, sum all monies owed to the three parties (ohskigod, zero, and the other person [don't know who it is]) and help those who lost their money to Thomas:

I am willing to start and offer $20 toward the pool

I'd do $20 - I recently purchased off the Flea Market for the first tme and want to keep it a good experience for everyone.

Maybe, just maybe, everyone that buys/sells should contribute to a "security fund"? Lot's of logistics to work out, but it could be done and would give buyers some protection against non-delivered and terribly misrepresented items.

ohskigod

woah gang!

Its a nice thought, really it is. And I feel where ya coming from, but i couldnt accept a dime. when you deal online, there is allways a risk. I knew this was coming. it was a matter of time.

I got way more out of this flea market than I lost. I look at my theater and 2 channel system and imagin what I would have had to pay if I bought something on par at retail. good lord, i'd be bankrupt.

the resolution to this lies solely in Thomas's hands, not in everyone else's. Again, while I appreciate the thought and goodwill involved but I gotta agree with Shack on this. The risk involved lies between the parties.

thanks again Mike and Dave for the generous thought, this is not meant as a slam against you guys, I'm sure you know that

criverajr

Lou,

I agree with you let Thomas step up to the plate and handle his business. By the way you know what the deal is between you and me, just ask.

CRj

ohskigod

I'm cool brotha

Mike682

No problem Lou

You and Shack are correct in that the ultimate responsibility is on Thomas.

Mike

Strong Bad

Hmmm, lets see. He has the goods packed and ready to ship, supposedly. He also has the $$$ from the buyer to ship the goods, which includes shipping $$$.

I dragged my **** last year on something that someone wanted due to being a bit overwhelmed with stuff in my life, but at no point did I accept $$$ up front. I even lowered the price when i got things packed and shipped off (due to draggin my **** and making the person wait) and told the buyer to wait till the pieces arrived before sending the check. I insisted it be this way!

He got the pieces, I got my $$$ and both parties were happy in the end.

Whats the hold up? Don't take $$$ unless you can ship the product within a couple days.

Skynut

DaveMuell wrote:

Maybe, just maybe, everyone that buys/sells should contribute to a "security fund"? Lot's of logistics to work out, but it could be done and would give buyers some protection against non-delivered and terribly misrepresented items.

I will volunteer to manage the money. Everyone send your money to me and I will gladly keep track of it in my off shore savings account.

RuSsMaN

Leave it to Club Polk to overthink everything.

Lets us know what happens Lou.