We Support ~REAL STEREO~

F1nut
F1nut Posts: 50,647
edited April 2 in Clubhouse Archives
http://www.tnt-audio.com/topics/realstereo_e.html
Political Correctness'.........defined

"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

President of Club Polk

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  • schwarcw
    schwarcw Posts: 7,339
    edited May 2006
    Interesting reading Jesse, thanks for the link!:) I enjoy two channel and certain multi channel mixes. I think each have their own place in music and home video. Ultimately, it's up to the taste of the consumer.
    Carl

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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited May 2006
    2CH fans disappointed about the lack of interest and vocal support of their gear....what's new? It's a multi-channel world, will a new logo change that?

    Good luck, see you on the other side w/ my S-VHS, Betamax, Mini-Disc and DAT.

    EDIT: I may be holding a bunch of DVD-A as well :)
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,647
    edited May 2006
    Thanks for reading and remember to always help the idea, if not the cause.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited May 2006
    Don't get your panties in a bunch, perhaps you should read what I said again before you start running around with that tattered banner.

    It's all about reading comprehension.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,647
    edited May 2006
    No bunch, liked the phrase....a bit of dry wit, agreement and all that. My comprehension is just fine, thank you.....thank you very much.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited May 2006
    Mark just needs a good naked box packin.
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited May 2006
    Cool link. Great sound from 2 speakers - duh.

    Funny, they seem to think you can do it without that interconnecty thingy between them.
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,647
    edited May 2006
    Cool link. Great sound from 2 speakers - I'm there.

    Funny, they seem to think you can do it without that interconnecty thingy between them.

    Yeah, how about that. Of course, it's still great sound from 2 speakers with the interconnecty thingy. :D
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited May 2006
    F1nut wrote:
    No bunch, liked the phrase....a bit of dry wit, agreement and all that. My comprehension is just fine, thank you.....thank you very much.

    You comprehension may be well...but the memory is failing ;) I understand now sir, thanks for the clarification Jesse.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited May 2006
    I love stereo. I really developed a new appreciation of it a while ago and I prefer it over multichannel music actually.
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited May 2006
    Me too. Surround is just way too contrived for music; for movies it's fine.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited May 2006
    I doubt many of the modern Ipod carrying music lovers being produced today will ever give a crap. However, Hi-Fi may not be a thing of the past. There were a lot of high quality recordings being made before that 50's sound (no quality) became popular. If you were an audiophile back then I'm sure you would be thinking that quality sound was dying. Then came the late 60's and 70's where a lot of quality was coming back. We started loosing it again in the 80's with popular artists worrying more about music videos than quality. Then comes rap of the 90's. Rap actually took things back to a higher quality level. Today MP3, multi channel and general convienience is taking its toll. Artists are questioning why they should spend big bucks on mixing studios equiped with analog tape when they can buy a computer mixing station and do it themselves for a few grand. Even the small studios are giving in to the convienience of digital mixing. My favorite mixer just junked his 2" tape machine and went all digital. He can change the tempo to make things fit, filter out any noises and pretty much make a band sound like anything they want now. What he can no longer do is provide the ultimate in recording quality. He doesn't care because artists want the new abilities because it saves time and money. Not to mention that they want to feel "up to date" in technology. Hopefully the digital stuff at some point becomes as good as analog. That is when we will have "Real Stereo" again...
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited May 2006
    Yeah , I love my IPOD but audiophile quality it's not. I am actually amazed at how many people I know don't even know what they are missing until I remember that I used to be one of them.
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited May 2006
    Most of the folks that love this "Real Stereo" idea will be dead in 20 years....Me? probably 10 years if I'm lucky.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited May 2006
    dorokusai wrote:
    Most of the folks that love this "Real Stereo" idea will be dead in 20 years....Me? probably 10 years if I'm lucky.

    Not possible.....Only the good die young! ;)
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited May 2006
    Mono Rocks

    RT1
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited May 2006
    reeltrouble1 wrote:
    Mono Rocks
    LOL... The KISS principle at its finest...
    More later,
    Tour...
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  • SDA SRS 1.2
    SDA SRS 1.2 Posts: 255
    edited June 2006
    Nothing beats good ol' two channel stereo for music! Thanks for the link!

    Robbie
    Main System: Polk SDA SRS 1.2 Speakers, Sunfire Signature 600~two Amp, Carver C-16 Preamp, Carver TX-11b Tuner, Marantz 6350Q TT, Philips CDR-775 Recorder, Teac V-707RX Cassette Deck, Signal Cable Double Run Speaker Cable

    Upstairs Den: Marantz 2325 Receiver, Marantz 5220 Cassette Deck, Marantz HD-880 Speakers, Marantz 6370Q TT

    Exercise (Kabuki speaker) Room: Kenwood KR-9600 Receiver, Pioneer CS-99a Speakers, Sansui SP-X9000 Speakers (not pretty, but LOUD! :) )
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  • honestaquarian
    honestaquarian Posts: 3,196
    edited June 2006
    F1nut wrote:
    http://www.tnt-audio.com/topics/realstereo_e.html
    Actually the definition of "stereophonic sound" is three channels.Left,center and right.We lost the center channel when the LP(Long Playing)record went stereo,because they had no way of encoding three channels into the "V"shaped grooves back in 1958.They have been saying since BEFORE the advent of stereophonic sound that in order to get a realistic concert hall experience in the home.One must have at LEAST 10 channels of recorded sound being reproduced in the home.
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  • honestaquarian
    honestaquarian Posts: 3,196
    edited June 2006
    honestaquarian wrote:
    Actually the definition of "stereophonic sound" is three channels.Left,center and right.We lost the center channel when the LP(Long Playing)record went stereo,because they had no way of encoding three channels into the "V"shaped grooves back in 1958.They have been saying since BEFORE the advent of stereophonic sound that in order to get a realistic concert hall experience in the home.One must have at LEAST 10 channels of recorded sound being reproduced in the home.
    This however DOES NOT mean that i don't enjoy good two channel sound!!!!!! On the contrary i DO and my SDA's EXCEL at reproducing it.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited June 2006
    Maybe this is where SDA's fill the bill? My center is so full that if I sit a box there there is no denying that it is playing. Could this be a big reason for SDA success? Never really thought much about it previously.
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,647
    edited June 2006
    Actually, the definition of stereophonic is, "using two or more channels to carry and reproduce the sounds from the directions in which they were originally picked up by corresponding microphones."
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • honestaquarian
    honestaquarian Posts: 3,196
    edited June 2006
    F1nut wrote:
    Actually, the definition of stereophonic is, "using two or more channels to carry and reproduce the sounds from the directions in which they were originally picked up by corresponding microphones."
    Let me clarify about the difinition of Stereophonic sound.Obviously i chose my words poorly.When Sterophonic sound was first invented as a result of experiments being conducted by bell labs waay back in the twenties and thirties.It was three channels.Not two.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited June 2006
    keep digging.

    RT1
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited June 2006
    Didn't BDT have some experience talking to a guy who also believed a center channel was part of stereophonic sound? My old scott tube amp had a center channel output and it was way before any of the later stuff.
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited June 2006
    Yes, there was some triple miking that was done, the RCA Living Stereo series comes to mind, I am sure there are others. One of my early processors had a 3 channel setting, it was pretty good.

    Still, two channel, two speakers, two ears, you get the picture or in this case the wave!!!

    RT1
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